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G_j

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125. caesarean deliveries? where does science and the use of it part ways?

Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:02 PM

Mar 2014

There are plenty of examples of unnecessary procedures and drugs wrongly prescribed. Is the problem that doctors aren't scientists?
IMO, the chart is culturally biased, while including acupuncture, shiatsu and ayurvedic medicine, never mentioning, just for example, the nonsense of prescribing antidepressants for children.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/20/nation/la-na-medical-procedures-20130221
Doctors list overused medical treatments

WASHINGTON — Nearly 100 medical procedures, tests and therapies are overused and often unnecessary, a coalition of leading medical societies says in a new report aimed at improving healthcare and controlling runaway costs.

The medical interventions — including early caesarean deliveries, CT scans for head injuries in children and annual Pap tests for middle-aged women — may be necessary in some cases, the physician groups said. But often they are not beneficial and may even cause harm
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/22/medication-bad-prescription-drugs-wrong-abuse_n_1822775.html

Medications Are 'Inappropriately' Prescribed To 1 In 5 Seniors: Study

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20736391
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23701973

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The Venn-like Diagram of Rational Limitation, Fail & Nonsense Berlum Mar 2014 #91

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Thanks G-j. Berlum Mar 2014 #98

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Your feel-good clipart postings have inspired me to abandon science and reason Orrex Mar 2014 #116

nothing from western medicine? G_j Mar 2014 #95

It says that western (that is, *actual*) medicine is based in science Orrex Mar 2014 #100

I suppose you are fortunate to have such faith in it. G_j Mar 2014 #104

I work very hard to have faith in as little as possible. Orrex Mar 2014 #107

it depends on what passes for science G_j Mar 2014 #108

That's not science; that's misrepresentation of data. Orrex Mar 2014 #112

I love science G_j Mar 2014 #121

Which practices of western medicine should be included in the chart? Orrex Mar 2014 #122

caesarean deliveries? where does science and the use of it part ways? G_j Mar 2014 #125

A couple of points. Orrex Mar 2014 #129

I take your points G_j Mar 2014 #130

That's intollerant! progressoid Mar 2014 #97

Personally, I'm just glad to see a rekindling of the Woo Wars. Orrex Mar 2014 #101

Also irrational: Union Scribe Mar 2014 #102

+1 nt bunnies Mar 2014 #115

Awesome! whatchamacallit Mar 2014 #127

I'd add economics, politics and social psychology... nt GliderGuider Mar 2014 #159

Another version Not a Fan Mar 2014 #118

Wow! zappaman Mar 2014 #123

Excellent! thank you! n/t etherealtruth Mar 2014 #137

LOL! The Smurfs?!? Behind the Aegis Mar 2014 #158

Very interesting Gothmog Mar 2014 #131

I hesitantly K&R this. I'd remove a chunk of that - acupuncture and Ayurvedic med helped me Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #136

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That's one definition of karma. Orrex Mar 2014 #142

Actually, the improper use of the word "energy" does annoy me. Jgarrick Mar 2014 #152

Shame on you for forcing them to adopt your paradigm Orrex Mar 2014 #154

I hang my head... Jgarrick Mar 2014 #155

No- that's the definition. It's a Sanskrit word. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #163

No, that's the origin. Orrex Mar 2014 #164

Here's another person for you to call stupid Orrex Mar 2014 #162

Ear candles? ismnotwasm Mar 2014 #147

Too late zappaman Mar 2014 #153

The phrase "acculturated groupthink" comes to mind. GliderGuider Mar 2014 #160