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NNN0LHI

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23. Here, let me be clear

Mon Mar 26, 2012, 10:52 AM

Mar 2012

With no free trade agreements we were hemorrhaging good jobs by the millions. And these weren't low-wage jobs either. These were the kinds of jobs where one paycheck was enough to keep the bill collectors at bay. The kinds of jobs where the workers were paying the maximum into SS and Medicare, and huge sums of withheld taxes to pay the workers in our public sector every year. The kinds of jobs this country depended on.

It wasn't any free trade agreement that caused people to purchase imported and non-union made products to put their neighbors out of work.

It was something else entirely.

So, I don't see the free trade bogeyman that some do. Free trade is just an excuse for the people who actually caused this mess to blame their problems on. Lot of self-inflicted problems too. Its the chicken and the egg thing. What came first? It wasn't the free trade agreements.

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Dear globalists, allow me to explain why Americans are rebelling en masse against you [View all] Zalatix Mar 2012 OP

Sums it up perfectly. Blaze Diem Mar 2012 #1

K&R !!! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2012 #2

This issue will be the deciding factor in the 2016 election cycle pipoman Mar 2012 #3

I'd rather see the Democrats wake up to this first. Zalatix Mar 2012 #4

I agree pipoman Mar 2012 #5

K&R The light must continually be shed on those cockroaches Populist_Prole Mar 2012 #6

I just want to see the look on their faces when it all comes crashing down. Zalatix Mar 2012 #9

~kick~ (and already R'ed) pipoman Mar 2012 #7

Rec n/t OhioChick Mar 2012 #8

K&R varelse Mar 2012 #10

There are still a few DU members that support this insanity, Elwood P Dowd Mar 2012 #11

No chance. The free traders have no counter. Not here, not anywhere. Zalatix Mar 2012 #13

As a believer in the value of trade (like FDR), I know I quake in my boots every time you post. pampango Mar 2012 #14

? Conservatives put the deadliest globalists in history in office. George W. Bush on Free Trade: Zorra Mar 2012 #18

ahem.. Clinton.. Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #22

Yep. Exactly. NAFTA. Cutting social programs. Zorra Mar 2012 #25

Ever notice that so FEW actual Democrats come to back you up on this? Zalatix Mar 2012 #27

Thanks, Zalatix! Just say no... Zorra Mar 2012 #12

Here's ProSense Mar 2012 #15

More good news: pampango Mar 2012 #17

That is good news. Zorra Mar 2012 #26

The leading globalist is Barack Obama Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #16

There was no NAFTA 30 years ago when my job and about ten million more were eliminated NNN0LHI Mar 2012 #19

Sorry, I'm not following. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #20

Here, let me be clear NNN0LHI Mar 2012 #23

It was free trade. De-facto style. Zalatix Mar 2012 #39

Economically, Barack Obama is a center-right Chi-Schooler. HughBeaumont Mar 2012 #21

Yup, we now have two parties divided solely on social issues. ieoeja Mar 2012 #24

Obama has also passed a few tariffs against China. Zalatix Mar 2012 #28

But not the kind of "globalist" envisioned by right wing conspiracy theorists. pampango Mar 2012 #33

Your arguments smack of desperation. Zalatix Mar 2012 #38

"rebelling en masse"? hack89 Mar 2012 #29

Even the most optimistic polls show that support is dropping like a stone. Zalatix Mar 2012 #30

But how much of that is due to the impact of a poor economy? hack89 Mar 2012 #31

Support was dropping precipitously in 2004. Probably even 2000. Zalatix Mar 2012 #32

So what happens next? hack89 Mar 2012 #34

We'll start replacing them like we replaced a lot of Blue Dogs. Zalatix Mar 2012 #37

Do you have a theory on why the conservative base has figured out how "evil" 'free trade' is so much pampango Mar 2012 #35

Nope, because Democrats don't support free trade any more than Republicans do. Zalatix Mar 2012 #36

I know you have no answer for this, but do you have a theory Zalatix Mar 2012 #40