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Gothmog

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101. President Obama was making a legal point that the Iraq invasion is different from Crimea

Fri Mar 28, 2014, 04:11 PM

Mar 2014

President Obama presented facts that are true even if you disagree with these facts. I personally think that bush, cheney, rice and rumsfeld lied to the American people about the reasons for the war in Iraq but these lies do not change the fact that the Iraq invasion is very different under international law compared to the annexation of Crimea by Russia. The US did work with the UN on this invasion compared to the complete lack of concern by Putin concerning international law. That is a difference.

President Obama has condemned the war in the past and President Obama did get us out of Iraq as soon as possible. I do not think that he is required to condemn this war in every speech and such a condemnation would have been a distraction from the legal argument being made. Look, the actual words of President Obama's address in Belgium are true and the Iraqi invasion is very different under international law compared to the complete annexation of Crimea by Russia. In the legal world, facts and words actually matter.

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I Will Do My Best To Make This My Last OP On Obama's Brussels Remarks, But... [View all] WillyT Mar 2014 OP

100,000 to one million dead. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #1

An the criminals who did it are at large, Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #3

We're actually supposed to defend the administration from these criminals running wild... Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #9

You've hit the nail on the head go west young man Mar 2014 #32

I would have been satisfied with much less. zeemike Mar 2014 #47

Yeah, in my mind anything short of condemning it would have been better left unsaid. Scuba Mar 2014 #2

EXACTLY Skittles Mar 2014 #6

Exactly! n/t dflprincess Mar 2014 #21

yes! because it was a CRIME! G_j Mar 2014 #11

Yes. 840high Mar 2014 #28

I listened President Obama's comments on my car radio when he made the speech Gothmog Mar 2014 #90

I did not/would not say he "defended" the Iraq war, but he certainly fell far short .... Scuba Mar 2014 #95

President Obama was making a legal point that the Iraq invasion is different from Crimea Gothmog Mar 2014 #101

I didn't say he didn't tell the truth, I said he didn't take a strong stand against illegal war. Scuba Mar 2014 #102

Having to make legal arguments, it is difficult enough without adding unnecessary elements Gothmog Mar 2014 #103

So why mention Iraq at all? Scuba Mar 2014 #105

Because Putin was using Iraq as an excuse for annexing Crimea Gothmog Mar 2014 #108

Well then he should have condemned our illegal war and Putin's too, eh? Scuba Mar 2014 #116

I disagree Gothmog Mar 2014 #118

I disagree. Scuba Mar 2014 #119

Which is fine with me Gothmog Mar 2014 #120

I appreciate your post, refreshing to see a level headed reasoned post regarding Obama's lumpy Mar 2014 #109

Thank you Gothmog Mar 2014 #111

Obama didn't defend the war, but . . . Jack Rabbit Mar 2014 #121

Yup. ctsnowman Mar 2014 #96

thank you Skittles Mar 2014 #4

Love You... WillyT Mar 2014 #7

back at ya my sweet Skittles Mar 2014 #15

K and R bigwillq Mar 2014 #5

Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #8

I don't think it was that big a deal. I think everyone JaneyVee Mar 2014 #10

Your indifference to illegal wars of choice is noted. Marr Mar 2014 #12

Riiiiiiight. What a strange post. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #13

that sounds just like Republican pretzel logic to me..... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #59

Not strange at all malokvale77 Mar 2014 #128

Your insult to JaneyVee is well noted. She was referring to the speech not the Bush War. lumpy Mar 2014 #110

Obviously. Marr Mar 2014 #113

Insults do not win a damn thing. lumpy Mar 2014 #115

Ironically, the debate is about context & nuance... JaneyVee Mar 2014 #133

Your snide remarks to well intentioned decent posters of choice is noted . lumpy Mar 2014 #140

Over Reacting... Is There Such A Thing... To This ??? WillyT Mar 2014 #14

I was referring to Obama's remarks. Obviously. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #16

It was actually 4500 soldiers. go west young man Mar 2014 #34

You're Right... I Could Not Live With Myself With Results Like That... WillyT Mar 2014 #62

Why do you sling insults at this poster? Accusitory unfounded remarks deserve apology. lumpy Mar 2014 #114

Why do you sling insults at WillyT? malokvale77 Mar 2014 #131

It's Typical... What Many Don't Understand Is That WE Did That !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #136

It is all so puke worthy malokvale77 Mar 2014 #138

Looks like you didn't read Willies post; it was insulting to the poster Janey Vee. lumpy Mar 2014 #139

Its not even insulting, its bizarre. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #134

I weep. 840high Mar 2014 #29

me too WillyT Mar 2014 #30

You should lumpy Mar 2014 #117

And You Don't ??? WillyT Mar 2014 #123

Imagine how partisan you'd have to be Marr Mar 2014 #142

JaneyVee was refering to the overreaction to Obama's speech not Bush's War. lumpy Mar 2014 #112

I didn't see that coming ... 1000words Mar 2014 #20

I forgive you. JaneyVee Mar 2014 #22

Their outrage meter is ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #25

Of course you do. Not a surprise at all. morningfog Mar 2014 #40

that pretty much sums it up for me as well! JohnRogan Mar 2014 #17

Thank You For That !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #19

That's a good way to finalize, WillyT... MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #18

Anytime... MrMickeysMom, Anytime... WillyT Mar 2014 #23

How will you feel it he decides to pardon the war criminals. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #24

By Actions As Precedent... He Already Has. WillyT Mar 2014 #26

As I understand it, he already gave them immunity They_Live Mar 2014 #27

Please try haeder. Progressive dog Mar 2014 #31

Bullshit, he granted amnesty to war criminals, unprincipaled and politically expedient, if you love pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #39

So Obama granted amnesty to war criminals, on whatever world you live in. Progressive dog Mar 2014 #44

dead men, women and children stacked up like cord wood from those shitty wars and the pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #48

Wow quite a lot of hate for the Democratic president Progressive dog Mar 2014 #50

Cant you have a discussion without accusing others of "hatred of Obama"? nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #58

Not when they make up stuff to hate him for Progressive dog Mar 2014 #60

were you out in the rain? JohnRogan Mar 2014 #69

... L0oniX Mar 2014 #73

That or... malokvale77 Mar 2014 #135

God you are so eridite, baby ! lumpy Mar 2014 #141

i hate conservative lies, yours are no exception pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #65

If you hated them, you wouldn't continue Progressive dog Mar 2014 #67

It is true, on this world. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #49

Yup, in your world not pursuing justice is Progressive dog Mar 2014 #51

They are complicit. That is a true statement. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #54

Thank You, I just wanted to know if it was just the President or Progressive dog Mar 2014 #78

I have a problem with those who authorized an illegal war PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #84

If everyone knows about it, how has it been swept under the rug? Progressive dog Mar 2014 #85

if you say so PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #86

They clearly are complicit, we are no longer a country of laws. JohnRogan Mar 2014 #71

We are a country of laws and under Progressive dog Mar 2014 #75

I dont think you have a clear understanding of where we are and where we have been. JohnRogan Mar 2014 #79

Where's the beef to go with the condescension? Progressive dog Mar 2014 #80

simply not worth the effort JohnRogan Mar 2014 #81

I thought you must have something substantive to say, but I was wrong. Progressive dog Mar 2014 #82

That was my thought malokvale77 Mar 2014 #137

If you disagree, why dont you provide an argument instead of blather? nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #53

Since Obama did not grant amnesty to anyone Progressive dog Mar 2014 #57

You Need To Try haeder. WillyT Mar 2014 #45

Cute, I think I'll leave the typo since it gives Progressive dog Mar 2014 #46

Oh Hell Man... I'll Kick My Own Posts Without Batting An Eye... WillyT Mar 2014 #52

So you support him giving Bush and gang pardons? Is that what you are saying? nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #55

No but he didn't give them pardons Progressive dog Mar 2014 #56

sorry MFM008 Mar 2014 #64

I love drones too. L0oniX Mar 2014 #74

Are you upset because you don't have your own drone? Progressive dog Mar 2014 #76

Who says I don't? L0oniX Mar 2014 #77

I�ll try haeder if you do (nt) malokvale77 Mar 2014 #132

Some of us iamthebandfanman Mar 2014 #33

I Hear Ya... I Think Something Grabs Them By The Lapels When They Enter The Oval Office... WillyT Mar 2014 #35

+1 mike_c Mar 2014 #36

Ditto joanbarnes Mar 2014 #37

Agreed! raindaddy Mar 2014 #38

Great post, WillyT Iwillnevergiveup Mar 2014 #41

Thank You For That !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #42

Obama is trying to rewrite history, just another brilliant chess move by the zen master. nt pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #43

K&R bobduca Mar 2014 #61

Russian reaction to Obama's speech. go west young man Mar 2014 #63

You speak for me with this post, Willy. Heartfelt thanks. cali Mar 2014 #66

Thank You, Cali WillyT Mar 2014 #68

needless war of choice requires nothing less than outrage. NuttyFluffers Mar 2014 #70

When a government lies to its people whom it is to represent ..it is not a government of the people. L0oniX Mar 2014 #72

Oh ProSense Mar 2014 #83

"stung," "sickened and pissed" NCTraveler Mar 2014 #88

Great post, thanks! .............But: beerandjesus Mar 2014 #87

Remember that President Obama is a lawyer and a law professor Gothmog Mar 2014 #89

Agree totally n2doc Mar 2014 #91

Listen to what he said. He didn't "excuse" the Iraq War. Zen Democrat Mar 2014 #92

We left it in ruins. And it was on the pretense that they caused 9/11. cui bono Mar 2014 #107

He avoids criticism from those who will not vote for Democrats anyway Rilgin Mar 2014 #93

Would you please repeat that last message...... DeSwiss Mar 2014 #94

There was nothing "inartful", "strange", "weird" or "odd" about his comments. phleshdef Mar 2014 #97

+1000 K & R Raksha Mar 2014 #98

jeeze..sucks that he might stillcool Mar 2014 #99

noted. thank you; I see your viewpoint more clearly now. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #100

Very well said! ybbor Mar 2014 #104

Sorry, no. jeff47 Mar 2014 #106

And You Are Quite Welcome To Believe That... And I Get To Disagree... WillyT Mar 2014 #125

K&R. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #122

K&R red dog 1 Mar 2014 #124

This... malokvale77 Mar 2014 #126

Word !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #127

Back atcha malokvale77 Mar 2014 #129

I hope you make another one and ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #130

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