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gollygee

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4. It isn't always punished severely

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 04:45 PM

Mar 2014

Think the Catholic Church, and Jerry Sandusky. People sometimes know about it but look the other way, sometimes for a very long time.

And people sometimes downplay how bad it is. There was a boy who was kidnapped and kept as an ongoing rape victim by someone, and Bill O'Reilly said things weren't so bad for him because his rapist bought him nice toys.

These are just a few examples. I've seen news articles like this often enough that I feel like it's part of our culture overall to downplay it. I worked as a newspaper reporter for eight years and remember some of the news stories at the time as well. A kid sexually abused by his grandfather, who was a pastor at a church, and his whole church protesting the trial saying the kid made it up. I sat in the trial. It had to take some mental gymnastics to dismiss that kid as easily as they did, but it was more important to them that their pastor not receive punishment than that their eyes be open to the child.

He was found guilty but he was not "punished severely." He got probation.

So is it discouraged? Not really. Is it punished severely? Sometimes, eventually, but not always.

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Is "rape culture" responsible for child rape, incest and pedophilia? [View all] NoOneMan Mar 2014 OP

In part. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #1

Why are you assuming all child rapists do not consider their actions taboo? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #6

I'm not. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #12

Your first sentence NoOneMan Mar 2014 #15

Ok, I'll attach a caveat for you. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #20

And I accept that NoOneMan Mar 2014 #31

Maybe when you've been here for more than a couple of weeks we'll all be able to discern ... 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #34

Laugh. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #39

lol Whisp Mar 2014 #68

Not in any posts I've read. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #84

My problem with these "culture" OP's CANDO Mar 2014 #23

Culture has little to do with 'accusation'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #35

Penn State: great example. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #51

Well said! GP6971 Mar 2014 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author CANDO Mar 2014 #225

Cherry picker CANDO Mar 2014 #230

The protest demonstrated the priorities. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #243

Who made you master of the universe? CANDO Mar 2014 #246

The people in question showed their priorities. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #247

Try here... uppityperson Mar 2014 #2

I'm not sure that has anything to do with child rape and incest NoOneMan Mar 2014 #9

That's a combination of a number of things. PDJane Mar 2014 #3

you are right on. and it is really this simple. it will take us a long ways. i guarantee. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #17

Good luck teaching young men anything. CFLDem Mar 2014 #45

and there are many many that are like tons more insightful and would find your shallow seabeyond Mar 2014 #52

And they are all considered dorks by their peers. CFLDem Mar 2014 #53

really? firstly, most dont really care. they are not so awfully impressed with young men like you. seabeyond Mar 2014 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author CFLDem Mar 2014 #62

16? 18? so, no, you are not out of highschool. i really did not know i was wasting my time seabeyond Mar 2014 #70

They are considered normal NoOneMan Mar 2014 #76

You must hang out with some pieces of shit joeglow3 Mar 2014 #108

Yeah, men who care whether their sexual partners are consenting or not, are just uncool losers... nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #188

Did you read what you said "Good luck teaching young men anything" about? gollygee Mar 2014 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author CFLDem Mar 2014 #59

It sounds like you think young men are naturally rapists. gollygee Mar 2014 #63

out of control libido, sounds like rape justification, not even rape apology. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #67

Well at least gollygee Mar 2014 #73

there you go. but then, we have had many, lol, in this very short time. and ya. nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #74

YOu have just said that young men can't be taught not to force themselves Squinch Mar 2014 #66

then he says, the young men that can, are dorks... and his like make sure they let them know seabeyond Mar 2014 #69

Edited. nt. CFLDem Mar 2014 #72

So I guess you can teach young men your age something after all. cui bono Mar 2014 #236

These stupid "every rape is the fault of every male" threads devolve quickly and inexorably Doctor_J Mar 2014 #98

especially since NO ONE said that. gotta make up arguments? seabeyond Mar 2014 #101

Well, let's have a sampling of quotes from THIS thread Doctor_J Mar 2014 #125

omg.... you are with me dude. i am all over the young guy that is dissing men right and left seabeyond Mar 2014 #128

Should we conclude from your post that you do not consider women to be part of our Squinch Mar 2014 #104

That came from CFLDem, not me gollygee Mar 2014 #120

The only people I hear saying that or interpreting it like that are men. cui bono Mar 2014 #237

There is a term called "respect" GP6971 Mar 2014 #87

Respect is earned CFLDem Mar 2014 #90

True, but respect GP6971 Mar 2014 #95

I respect my elders. CFLDem Mar 2014 #96

Or they forgot to zip their fly!! GP6971 Mar 2014 #102

What does a woman need to do to "earn" the respect to not be sexually objectified and/or assaulted? antigone382 Mar 2014 #164

It isn't always punished severely gollygee Mar 2014 #4

As was noted in another thread, there seems to be an Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #16

This isn't about the 99% vs the 1% gollygee Mar 2014 #57

'The fish rots from the head'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #82

I say you're a ... GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #5

You should also note that a duPont heir got raped. Zenlitened Mar 2014 #7

Huh? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #10

Does rape culture exist? Yes or no. -n/t Zenlitened Mar 2014 #22

Sure. Does it have fuck all to do with incest and pedophilia? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #25

You seem upset. There's no need to swear at me. Zenlitened Mar 2014 #29

So yes or no, is "rape culture" about promoting/accepting incest and pedophilia? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #32

Do you consider incest and pedophilia to be rape? Zenlitened Mar 2014 #36

"And, yes, they too often are accepted/excused/hushed up/explained away." NoOneMan Mar 2014 #43

You don't seem to understand that something can be taboo, even against the law... Zenlitened Mar 2014 #48

So society is hush hush pro-child rape and pro-child incest? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #50

Do you think that incest is a rare crime? Because it isn't and the estimates are Squinch Mar 2014 #118

Some people need to lay off the dualistic thinking. And I don't mean you. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #192

Actually, after a long conversation, I realized that he has no trouble understanding that Squinch Mar 2014 #198

Agreed. n/t nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #201

How about Sandusky? Do we have a culture that created a situation Squinch Mar 2014 #97

I think PSU may have NoOneMan Mar 2014 #100

Maybe child rape will stop if we do something to stop it. But we have a culture that is not Squinch Mar 2014 #113

Our culture is very interested in stopping incest and child rape NoOneMan Mar 2014 #129

How about the people Texasgal Mar 2014 #132

Of course it happens. Not 100% of ALL criminals of EVERY crime see time NoOneMan Mar 2014 #134

Well, I never said that Texasgal Mar 2014 #135

There are plenty of exceptions to the rule in a large country NoOneMan Mar 2014 #137

I don't think that any number of people committing child rape and not being prosecuted will convince Squinch Mar 2014 #145

Thanks you for actually providing something other than an opinion or a wild claim NoOneMan Mar 2014 #147

You do know that your arguments can also be characterized as opinion or wild claims, right? Squinch Mar 2014 #150

I didn't make the original claim. I have no burden of proof NoOneMan Mar 2014 #153

I am thinking of at least two DuPonts who have gone to jail relatively recently for murder. Squinch Mar 2014 #159

It's connected, at least, by the idea that it's okay to exploit/victimize others. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #189

Aren't all crimes about exploiting and victimizing others? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #190

Yes and yes. I'm no doctrinaire Marxist, but I can't help but see rape as, in part, an example of nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #195

Intersectionality of privilege and class hurt her. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #26

Sheer brute violence... plus a judicial culture willing to explain away rape. -n/t Zenlitened Mar 2014 #30

It certainly is a component n/t etherealtruth Mar 2014 #8

Those "broad brush" OP's CANDO Mar 2014 #11

when the victims character is questioned more than the perpetrator's character La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #13

Simplistic dualism. Some people seem addicted to it. n/t nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #199

Violent narcissistic penis worship. defacto7 Mar 2014 #14

Humans without penises can rape too NoOneMan Mar 2014 #19

Understood. defacto7 Mar 2014 #47

I think "violent" and "narcissistic" are the key words there. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #200

What do I say? Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #18

That I'd agree with. n/t Zenlitened Mar 2014 #21

So the Du Pont guy being a incestuous pedophile is due to "rape culture", or his getting off? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #24

uppityperson gave you the answer... You choose to play ignorant... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #28

They gave me a link to a flamebait thread NoOneMan Mar 2014 #33

Define irony... "They gave me a link to a flamebait thread" Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #37

I'm asking a real question here NoOneMan Mar 2014 #49

No... No, you are not Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #61

Despite your claims, please understand I didn't start this NoOneMan Mar 2014 #64

"My mind is boggled"... On that we can agree - nt Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #77

Why is it so hard to understand that sexual abuse/violence in general is ultimately connected nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #202

Why is it so easy for you to think its all connected? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #203

I think it is just that they are blinded by astonishingly infantile self-centeredness. Squinch Mar 2014 #123

Agreed... Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #141

Maybe its because this whole topic with a Du Pont heir as example is fucking silliness NoOneMan Mar 2014 #152

A man rapes a 3 year old and gets off because incarceration would be uncomfortable for him. Squinch Mar 2014 #156

Plenty of rich get off for murder NoOneMan Mar 2014 #158

But apparently not DuPonts. Squinch Mar 2014 #160

In part. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #27

See this post on that thread for my response. Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #38

I appreciate your response NoOneMan Mar 2014 #40

You can't diagnose a paraphilia based on behavior alone-- Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #75

Gotcha NoOneMan Mar 2014 #78

How does child molestation, an act of pedophilia, not indicate pedophilia? Squinch Mar 2014 #130

Does this help?: Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #149

This one looks more like money culture to me. rrneck Mar 2014 #41

"Affluenza" is all that is davidn3600 Mar 2014 #42

Um, I think... Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #44

As a critic of the whole "rape culture" craze, I think this is well said derby378 Mar 2014 #60

Oh, absolutely Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #93

Maybe it "generates more heat than light" because some insist on taking everything personally nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #213

So your response to me observing that a phrase triggers antagonism Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #235

I have zero sympathy for men who whine about "male bashing" nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #238

As I said, more heat than light Prophet 451 Mar 2014 #242

Yeah, that was over the top. I do get too emotional on here from time to time. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #245

No CFLDem Mar 2014 #46

Bullshit. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #54

So that's generally the root of my question NoOneMan Mar 2014 #58

The U.S. is a big place. JackRiddler Mar 2014 #65

Absolutely NoOneMan Mar 2014 #71

The culture at large? JackRiddler Mar 2014 #172

And of course, condoning prison rape undermines the struggle against all sexual violence. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #217

I have no clue how it comes to be. CFLDem Mar 2014 #244

Even if the crime itself isn't (entirely) controllable, the collective societal response to it is. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #216

This is horseshit. Nothing about internal urges that can't be handled by eridani Mar 2014 #241

What Rape Culture -IS- responsible for = Minimizing the effects that those actions Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #80

So does our culture think that the rape of a 3 year old is "Just Not That Big of A Deal"? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #81

Do you think the man's punishment fit the crime or not? Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #83

I think there may have been other reasons the Du Pont heir got a slap on the wrist NoOneMan Mar 2014 #103

Do you understand that Rape Culture is a contributing factor in all this? Do you understand Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #110

No, I don't understand that at all NoOneMan Mar 2014 #124

you might want to edit your last sentence for comprehension. Peace Out. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2014 #127

Not entirely Spirochete Mar 2014 #85

It's all rooted in the idea that the stronger has the right to exploit the weaker. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #218

My thoughts exactly Spirochete Mar 2014 #219

"To them it's not what's right or wrong, but what they can get away with." nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #221

No. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #86

Exactly. The collective response to sex crimes is more indicative of cultural attitudes than such nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #220

Arrested development of child rapists HockeyMom Mar 2014 #88

THIS nt redqueen Mar 2014 #92

How's this working out for you? Tsiyu Mar 2014 #89

Fine. At least I'm not playing a game NoOneMan Mar 2014 #105

If we allow a man to rape a three year old Tsiyu Mar 2014 #112

But we don't. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #115

I'd really like to continue your thoughts on the Catholic Priests Texasgal Mar 2014 #91

So because the church heirarchy of a minority religion protected the priests, the US has a NoOneMan Mar 2014 #106

Catholics were not a minority 30 years ago. Texasgal Mar 2014 #116

"lot's of people left the church because of this scandal and rightly so. " NoOneMan Mar 2014 #121

The problem is that alot of people Texasgal Mar 2014 #126

Why, in a pro-child-rape society, are so many child-rape cases prosecuted with people jailed? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #139

Why do do many keep victimizing for years Texasgal Mar 2014 #146

Is it because Johnny Beat Cop encourages it? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #148

Not a good answer. Texasgal Mar 2014 #151

Its a fine answer NoOneMan Mar 2014 #154

The laws are the problem!! Texasgal Mar 2014 #155

Its illegal by law. People are thrown in jail for it. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #157

Why are you not outraged Texasgal Mar 2014 #162

Why are you suggesting I'm not outraged this rich fuck got off? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #165

because they look the other way too often, give up because it is difficult to get an arrest. bettyellen Mar 2014 #207

You need to abandon this "either/or" way of thinking. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #223

Who is looking away? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #224

And you really believe this is the only time something like this has happened? nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #228

I think in a country of 300 million, no. NoOneMan Mar 2014 #231

Even if we acknowledge that attitudes toward rape often *are* overly permissive, how does that nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #233

What? A news story isn't about me. This isn't a personal discussion NoOneMan Mar 2014 #239

Why are so many not prosecuted and so few people jailed for such short sentences? Squinch Mar 2014 #161

Good question. Texasgal Mar 2014 #163

Why are people prosecuted at all if we support/forgive/promote child rape as a whole? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #166

Oh dear GOD! Texasgal Mar 2014 #171

Well lets see some opinion polls NoOneMan Mar 2014 #176

Why is this so hard for you to understand? Texasgal Mar 2014 #194

Why do you keep pretending I'm not outraged NoOneMan Mar 2014 #196

UGH! Texasgal Mar 2014 #197

I'm sorry for you. This is idiotic. Squinch Mar 2014 #175

I'm sorry you believe you live in a world where we are pro-child-rape NoOneMan Mar 2014 #179

Idiotic. Squinch Mar 2014 #183

I agree, the idea that we have a "child rape culture" is absurd and idiotic NoOneMan Mar 2014 #184

I see you are reduced to the old, "I know you are but what am I" gambit? How unfortunate for you. Squinch Mar 2014 #185

So questiong the absurd notion of a "child rape culture" is disrupting NoOneMan Mar 2014 #186

if rape culture includes the idea that men can't control their own dicks then yes elehhhhna Mar 2014 #94

I don't think thats included in "rape culture" NoOneMan Mar 2014 #107

ya. that would be the promoted evo psych that some want to create as a legitimate science. though, seabeyond Mar 2014 #111

uh, yeah. duh. elehhhhna Apr 2014 #248

When a judge decides... ljm2002 Mar 2014 #99

"that would be an example of "rape culture"." NoOneMan Mar 2014 #109

"only occurs when the perpetrator is rich as almighty fuck." wrong. you are not listening. it is seabeyond Mar 2014 #114

Bahhh. Bullshit NoOneMan Mar 2014 #117

well then. i guess you made clear to everyone, you really do not want to hear. bah, my ass.... nt seabeyond Mar 2014 #119

There is nothing to hear NoOneMan Mar 2014 #122

stuebenville, missouri, calif, connecticut, canada.... then there is the individual judges seabeyond Mar 2014 #131

Exceptions, exceptions, exceptions NoOneMan Mar 2014 #133

A plenty are NOT. Texasgal Mar 2014 #136

wow. basically your Op was a bullshit game. what a fuggin waste of time. not surprised though. seabeyond Mar 2014 #140

When a incestuous Du Pont heir is used as a lighting rod for "rape culture"... NoOneMan Mar 2014 #142

you say only the rich. it is proven not only the rich and you back pedal. your argument is a fail seabeyond Mar 2014 #143

Nothing is proven NoOneMan Mar 2014 #144

And why are you so invested in believing that there isn't a serious problem here? nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #227

For a culture that "dictates that it is not acceptable to victimize children" thucythucy Mar 2014 #169

Children not being believed, traumatized all over. boston bean Mar 2014 #173

There is an awful lot of all sorts of crimes occurring all the time NoOneMan Mar 2014 #174

Which tells you what? thucythucy Mar 2014 #208

Which tells we dont need a culture to promote crimes in order for them to exist NoOneMan Mar 2014 #209

Culture pervades everything we do-- thucythucy Mar 2014 #210

So we have a dog rape culture too? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #211

And no, I don't think you're interested in discussion. thucythucy Mar 2014 #212

I just posted a link to an article about a dog rape NoOneMan Mar 2014 #214

Yes, it only happens for the rich... ljm2002 Mar 2014 #138

One name boston bean Mar 2014 #167

You mean the rich famous guy? NoOneMan Mar 2014 #168

I am talking about the defense of that puke, here on DU boston bean Mar 2014 #170

Im not arguing against the existence of rape culture NoOneMan Mar 2014 #180

You are being obtuse. boston bean Mar 2014 #181

You've made a strawman NoOneMan Mar 2014 #182

You don't think this happens to victims of the middle class, the poor? boston bean Mar 2014 #187

I think that as a general trend, we aint to keen on child rapists NoOneMan Mar 2014 #191

You have a very very limited view of what victims face boston bean Mar 2014 #193

If we aren't keen on child rape, maybe there isn't a child rape culture NoOneMan Mar 2014 #204

Because someone doesn't condone molestation, incest, rape boston bean Mar 2014 #205

And just because its not always easy to prosecute, doesn't mean there is some cultural reason NoOneMan Mar 2014 #206

india has a rape culture Niceguy1 Mar 2014 #177

Even in India, men goto jail for raping 3-Year old children NoOneMan Mar 2014 #178

What you say is very likely true of the stereotypical "dragged into the bushes" sort of rapist. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #232

I dont think the mental illness of pedophilia has anything to do with rape culture anymore than stevenleser Mar 2014 #215

Yes, rape culture is a part of it. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #222

This isn't a yes or no question. Rape culture does not need to account for all rapes to be real. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #226

No, but Rape culture is to rapists as the Catholic Church was to pedophile priests... Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #229

You've answered your own question in your OP. cui bono Mar 2014 #234

Or rich people aren't punished severely because they are rich NoOneMan Mar 2014 #240