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In reply to the discussion: Remember when Occupy couldn't win? [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)45. Being
"Yeah, give up Dem losers. There's a chance you could fail, so it's not worth even bothering. "
...realistic does not mean "give up Dem losers." You can be realistic and continue to fight.
Sanders: Single Payer Never Had A Chance
Evan McMorris-Santoro
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) reminded the progressive media gathered on Capitol Hill today that single-payer health care reform was dead before it started in the Senate.
It would have had 8 or 10 votes and thats it, he said, addressing a topic central in the minds of many who the bloggers and left wing talk show hosts gathered for the 4th annual Senate Democratic Progressive Media Summit in Washington reach everyday.
Sanders is among the few in the Senate not afraid to say he supports government-run, universal health care. But his calls for such a program have gone unanswered, much to the chagrin of progressives who still feel it is the best way to solve the nations health care crisis.
Sanders said it was still possible for single-payer to come to the U.S. eventually but he said the road will not begin in Washington. If a state like California or Vermont ever instituted a single-payer system on its own, Sanders said, it would eventually lead to national adoption of universal coverage.
Sanders has put forward an amendment to the current health care bill in the Senate that would allow states to use federal funds to create their own single-payer plans, he said.
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http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/sanders-single-payer-never-had-a-chance.php
Evan McMorris-Santoro
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) reminded the progressive media gathered on Capitol Hill today that single-payer health care reform was dead before it started in the Senate.
It would have had 8 or 10 votes and thats it, he said, addressing a topic central in the minds of many who the bloggers and left wing talk show hosts gathered for the 4th annual Senate Democratic Progressive Media Summit in Washington reach everyday.
Sanders is among the few in the Senate not afraid to say he supports government-run, universal health care. But his calls for such a program have gone unanswered, much to the chagrin of progressives who still feel it is the best way to solve the nations health care crisis.
Sanders said it was still possible for single-payer to come to the U.S. eventually but he said the road will not begin in Washington. If a state like California or Vermont ever instituted a single-payer system on its own, Sanders said, it would eventually lead to national adoption of universal coverage.
Sanders has put forward an amendment to the current health care bill in the Senate that would allow states to use federal funds to create their own single-payer plans, he said.
- more-
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/sanders-single-payer-never-had-a-chance.php
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I love your OP, but unfortunately our elections, even our vote counting, everything has been corpora
robinlynne
Mar 2012
#3
Yeah, the "realists" want us to give up if the ACA goes down in the Extreme Court.
ClassWarrior
Mar 2012
#7
Yes, there aren't many, certainly not enough to usher in the changes necessary.
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#32
Continuing to fight is the ONLY realistic approach. As opposed using the word...
ClassWarrior
Mar 2012
#56
I can't even number a handful of "FDR democrats" that aren't already elected.
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#36
You "don't see." You "have no idea." In other words, you keep saying you're clueless.
ClassWarrior
Mar 2012
#47
Oh, I see. You're saying you're too clueless to get it from all the other posts on this thread...
ClassWarrior
Mar 2012
#60
I have looked at all the Democrats running and Many already admitted it wasn't this cycle.
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#68
If I misunderstood you, then it's your problem with making yourself clear that's to blame.
ClassWarrior
Mar 2012
#72
You're the one who started this saying I "refused to see" then failed to provide evidence as to...
joshcryer
Mar 2012
#77
Occupy changed national dialogue and priorities almost overnight in a way I never thought possible.
pa28
Mar 2012
#46
Yeah, you bunch of progressive Democrat losers!! Take your loser tents and get off my lawn!!
ClassWarrior
Mar 2012
#65
Until we have elections in November, it is very unclear what - if anything - Occupy has "won"
scheming daemons
Mar 2012
#75
Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Because, like Antonin Scalia, you've made up your mind...
ClassWarrior
Mar 2012
#79
I know you are right, and it must be an organic social need that overwhelms the populace
Dragonfli
Mar 2012
#92
Remember when you said the one election in the last 40 years you would have reversed...
SidDithers
Mar 2012
#90