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In reply to the discussion: Top cancer hospitals across the country treat their patients' PAIN with "woo." [View all]LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)17. Quite the opposite
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16569567
BACKGROUND:
Intercessory prayer is widely believed to influence recovery from illness, but claims of benefits are not supported by well-controlled clinical trials. Prior studies have not addressed whether prayer itself or knowledge/certainty that prayer is being provided may influence outcome. We evaluated whether (1) receiving intercessory prayer or (2) being certain of receiving intercessory prayer was associated with uncomplicated recovery after coronary artery bypass graft (CABG) surgery.
METHODS:
Patients at 6 US hospitals were randomly assigned to 1 of 3 groups: 604 received intercessory prayer after being informed that they may or may not receive prayer; 597 did not receive intercessory prayer also after being informed that they may or may not receive prayer; and 601 received intercessory prayer after being informed they would receive prayer. Intercessory prayer was provided for 14 days, starting the night before CABG. The primary outcome was presence of any complication within 30 days of CABG. Secondary outcomes were any major event and mortality.
RESULTS:
In the 2 groups uncertain about receiving intercessory prayer, complications occurred in 52% (315/604) of patients who received intercessory prayer versus 51% (304/597) of those who did not (relative risk 1.02, 95% CI 0.92-1.15). Complications occurred in 59% (352/601) of patients certain of receiving intercessory prayer compared with the 52% (315/604) of those uncertain of receiving intercessory prayer (relative risk 1.14, 95% CI 1.02-1.28). Major events and 30-day mortality were similar across the 3 groups.
CONCLUSIONS:
Intercessory prayer itself had no effect on complication-free recovery from CABG, but certainty of receiving intercessory prayer was associated with a higher incidence of complications.
Intercessory prayer is widely believed to influence recovery from illness, but claims of benefits are not supported by well-controlled clinical trials. Prior studies have not addressed whether prayer itself or knowledge/certainty that prayer is being provided may influence outcome. We evaluated whether (1) receiving intercessory prayer or (2) being certain of receiving intercessory prayer was associated with uncomplicated recovery after coronary artery bypass graft (CABG) surgery.
METHODS:
Patients at 6 US hospitals were randomly assigned to 1 of 3 groups: 604 received intercessory prayer after being informed that they may or may not receive prayer; 597 did not receive intercessory prayer also after being informed that they may or may not receive prayer; and 601 received intercessory prayer after being informed they would receive prayer. Intercessory prayer was provided for 14 days, starting the night before CABG. The primary outcome was presence of any complication within 30 days of CABG. Secondary outcomes were any major event and mortality.
RESULTS:
In the 2 groups uncertain about receiving intercessory prayer, complications occurred in 52% (315/604) of patients who received intercessory prayer versus 51% (304/597) of those who did not (relative risk 1.02, 95% CI 0.92-1.15). Complications occurred in 59% (352/601) of patients certain of receiving intercessory prayer compared with the 52% (315/604) of those uncertain of receiving intercessory prayer (relative risk 1.14, 95% CI 1.02-1.28). Major events and 30-day mortality were similar across the 3 groups.
CONCLUSIONS:
Intercessory prayer itself had no effect on complication-free recovery from CABG, but certainty of receiving intercessory prayer was associated with a higher incidence of complications.
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Top cancer hospitals across the country treat their patients' PAIN with "woo." [View all]
pnwmom
Apr 2014
OP
You know what else is really common, and generally accepted without mocking? Prayer.
Electric Monk
Apr 2014
#1
If some cancer hospitals are treating patients' pain with prayer, I didn't run into any.
pnwmom
Apr 2014
#2
When my mom had cancer, she had many friends who said they were praying for her recovery.
Electric Monk
Apr 2014
#4
that study was so poorly designed and so poorly executed, NO ONE should reference it.
KittyWampus
Apr 2014
#19
I can't stand it, between that and other childish words thrown around here of late
Dragonfli
Apr 2014
#70
My step-mother was once prescribed decaf coffee enemas for relief from hives
OriginalGeek
Apr 2014
#85
Yes, it is not woo/psuedoscience. That is wonderful for your father!
Tuesday Afternoon
Apr 2014
#124
I think things like acupuncture have a hypnotic component that truly does help pain.
mucifer
Apr 2014
#8
Acupuncture as such is not 'woo'; there is some evidence that it can relieve pain and other symptoms
LeftishBrit
Apr 2014
#12
It's a business. Cheap perks that give you a leg up over the competition are smart.
LeftyMom
Apr 2014
#13
The National Institutes of Health doesn't fund studies of hospital valet parking. n/t
pnwmom
Apr 2014
#31
As the OP points out, many actual physicians disagree with your great wisdom
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2014
#35
A commenter on another board, with a related thread asks the pertinent question...
SidDithers
Apr 2014
#36
Pnwmom, I have to disagree with you as I have been treated with acupunture AS PART
Ecumenist
Apr 2014
#40
Oh okay, I am so sorry. I read it but not completely. I shouldn't have assumed that
Ecumenist
Apr 2014
#46
OH BULLSHIT. Only talk about what you know. Just because she went to someone who
Ecumenist
Apr 2014
#69
IT WORKS, Curmodgeness. I am a recipeint of this "cray-cray". IT IS NOT CRAZY
Ecumenist
Apr 2014
#47
NIH funded study: Acupuncture for Chronic Pain / Individual Patient Data Meta-analysis
magical thyme
Apr 2014
#55
We use acupuncture with great effects on the horses. Animals can't manufacture a placebo response
riderinthestorm
Apr 2014
#91
From what I remember the only problem with the studies is that you can't double blind
Recursion
Apr 2014
#81
It is very important to differentiate the marketing information provided by health care centers ...
etherealtruth
Apr 2014
#65
What does that have to do with acupuncture, which is what the thread is about? nt
Electric Monk
Apr 2014
#94
In other words, they let patients indulge in generally harmless placebos of their own choice...
Silent3
Apr 2014
#109
Sure, because we give the DEA 60 billion a year to bully doctors into under-treating pain.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2014
#118
Top cancer hospitals across the country relieve their patients' of money with "woo."
MattBaggins
Apr 2014
#120