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marions ghost

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120. Yes--it is art because enough somebodies agree it is
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 05:25 PM
Apr 2014

--so in order to have it labelled as "not art" you would have to wrestle a lot of people.

How many decide?--of course there's a lot of debate within the field. Actually it's extremely competitive at the higher levels and difficult to get the attention of the right promoters and supporters. Your theoretical "50-50" artist has a tough time. It's a horse race. (We're not talking about Sunday painters here--talking about art at a higher level of achievement). So the majority of visual art professionals and art supporters get to decide what visual art is. They are not always in consensus whatsoever but they do try to remain respectful of serious work in genres they don't care for. Keeping an open mind is necessary.

It's just like music or writing or movies. What the critics and producers and academics like--may not be what the public likes best. But that doesn't mean it's not art. And consider that often art is created that isn't widely appreciated for years. Van Gogh never sold a painting in his lifetime. He was ridiculed. OTOH Thomas Kinkade's factory-made paintings made him a young zillionaire, only because he was able to convince unsuspecting people that it was good art...when it was primarily a feat of marketing prowess. Most authorities in art would call it mediocre to bad, and his marketing predatory.

On the plus side these days, there's really something for everybody under the huge label of art. So there's no need to fight against what you don't like. If you aren't interested enough to find out anything about whatever the genre is, OK. No harm done. Move on to what you do like. Maybe you like none of it. I'm not here to cajole anybody.

So IMO the general public DOES decide what is popular art, but the public does NOT decide what IS Art. I don't like to see otherwise intelligent (liberal) people arguing the lame old, "it's not Art" merely because they don't like it. Just say you don't like it. Or that you find it "narcissistic, obvious and boring." That's more specific.
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As for violence, expressed in art. That's another topic. But you imagined it--so OK, I'll just say that as long as the violence is NOT REAL--(ie. movies, books, pictures) then it can be art. Because violence is part of our experience in this life. But if it is real, actual extreme violence (let's say--beyond boxing, which some consider to have crossed the line) --if the act of extreme non-consensual violence is labelled as art, that is where sane people draw the line. Because nobody but the sickest minds could defend that in a civilized society. I don't call that good or bad art--I call it psychotic behavior, found in fiction but not condoned in reality.

So I suppose this woman does take a risk that some psychotic might kick the scaffolding out, but she is in a relatively safe environment, and the act is temporary. Remember, it's temporary and you have to be going to this art expo to see it. She is brave to do it, I'll give you that. It might provoke anger from someone who objects to what they happen to see. But if I did that, I'd be waging war daily against the ugliness of things I see in this country and society. Most of us have better self-control. This artist is banking on people being at least accepting, or even bored, like you.

I hope this helps you and anyone else asking the same totally relevant questions.

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Wow, roughly as impressive as men squirting paint out of their thangs... cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #1
That would be seminal art, though n/t eridani Apr 2014 #138
Ok that's a DUzy Flying Squirrel Apr 2014 #151
hope the paint was nontoxic hypoallergenic eShirl Apr 2014 #2
Just served on a jury for this. Kaleva Apr 2014 #3
Any results? nt LittleBlue Apr 2014 #7
5-2 to leave it. Kaleva Apr 2014 #12
Hell yeah LittleBlue Apr 2014 #13
I understand why people alerted, this is just so wrong Warpy Apr 2014 #19
LOL! Trailrider1951 Apr 2014 #23
you had a naked woman, in the middle of square and even that could not draw a crowd to her stupid. seabeyond Apr 2014 #26
Sometimes it's wiser to let things stand Warpy Apr 2014 #40
here's a good twerking video for refreshment Voice for Peace Apr 2014 #41
Thank goodness Firefox no longer shows videos. Warpy Apr 2014 #45
it's a very cute dog. gives twerking a new and warmhearted meaning Voice for Peace Apr 2014 #47
Oh, an antidote to the unfortunate visual in my post Warpy Apr 2014 #48
I use Firefox... TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #49
that's hysterical lillypaddle Apr 2014 #108
This is Germany. joshcryer Apr 2014 #69
WTF Go Vols Apr 2014 #4
My thought exactly..... n/t bobGandolf Apr 2014 #153
Perhaps the "vaginal knitter" will knit a gift in honor of the blessed event. 1000words Apr 2014 #5
Impressive, but I prefer... TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #6
Who could top that...nt Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #28
I'm just glad she did not use a knitting machine intaglio Apr 2014 #30
I've got one of those ladders. dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #8
lol hipsters d_b Apr 2014 #9
I was expecting the onion nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #10
She's gonna shoot an onion from there? msanthrope Apr 2014 #142
Love it. WilliamPitt Apr 2014 #11
Surprised it was censored. joshcryer Apr 2014 #68
just because it is allowed does not mean that the poster may not use discretion. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #114
Damn, why did I even waste my time going to art school? Throd Apr 2014 #14
um..... that's actually a very good question.... kiawah Apr 2014 #94
That is the most disgusting thing I've ever seen with the label of art Gman Apr 2014 #15
There's a LOT of marions ghost Apr 2014 #39
No matter how many times or how loufdly people whistler162 Apr 2014 #52
Performance art solicits a response 1000words Apr 2014 #53
That Is The Standard Lame Excuse ProfessorGAC Apr 2014 #70
"Solicit" 1000words Apr 2014 #71
The standard lame rebuttal... marions ghost Apr 2014 #73
I Don't Need Your Help, Thanks Anyway ProfessorGAC Apr 2014 #154
Meh, I give no approval or disapproval marions ghost Apr 2014 #160
Is this Art? marions ghost Apr 2014 #163
When he was a child, my son used to play "The Game" demwing Apr 2014 #79
Your son is brilliant marions ghost Apr 2014 #87
Well thanks a lot OriginalGeek Apr 2014 #107
There are other opinions marions ghost Apr 2014 #72
It makes a helluva lot if sense that Gman Apr 2014 #131
Not by your definition marions ghost Apr 2014 #133
The most biting criticism of performance art: 1000words Apr 2014 #135
That's really true of so many things marions ghost Apr 2014 #136
Gotta agree with your last statement Gman Apr 2014 #141
OK marions ghost Apr 2014 #144
I think anything that doesn't contribute directly to your physical survival is "art". Marr Apr 2014 #150
yeah and marions ghost Apr 2014 #159
It's shock value stupidity. Marr Apr 2014 #149
Gawd, Rembrandt is turning in his grave NV Whino Apr 2014 #16
Even Jackson Pollock Warpy Apr 2014 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #63
Meh...anybody can do that... pipi_k Apr 2014 #17
Ok - that was funny. nt cyberswede Apr 2014 #25
Some guy back in the nineties, can't remember his name rrneck Apr 2014 #50
DUzy! n/t eridani Apr 2014 #147
Silly. undeterred Apr 2014 #18
At least she wasn't degraded by being on the cover of a sports magazine The Straight Story Apr 2014 #21
She'd be better off on the cover of SI Gman Apr 2014 #37
We were talking about the desperate attempts of youth to try and "shock" and call it art. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #22
I agree marions ghost Apr 2014 #93
Enema Art Anyone Politicalboi Apr 2014 #24
...hmmmm, a squat and paint art form! RKP5637 Apr 2014 #103
Women pulling or pushing something out of their vagina marions ghost Apr 2014 #27
Sooner or later women will run out of things to insert/remove ... 1000words Apr 2014 #29
Maybe but still "fertile ground" ha ha marions ghost Apr 2014 #32
LOL 1000words Apr 2014 #34
And i was on the jury for the silly alert on this one...6-0 stand EX500rider Apr 2014 #58
as was I Sherman A1 Apr 2014 #59
What exactly was taken offense? 1000words Apr 2014 #60
I believe Sherman A1 Apr 2014 #62
lol ... Shock value? The thread about vaginal painting! 1000words Apr 2014 #64
Well, Sherman A1 Apr 2014 #65
Thanks for the words of support marions ghost Apr 2014 #81
My pleasure Sherman A1 Apr 2014 #83
I've never seen nor heard of Trunick, but that photo and event you showed is actually quite lovely. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #100
he's not as well known as he should be marions ghost Apr 2014 #162
"I find the human form to be a thing of intrinsic beauty" demwing Apr 2014 #82
You have Your opinion Sherman A1 Apr 2014 #84
Humanity in its various forms marions ghost Apr 2014 #86
What about juror number seven? Orrex Apr 2014 #97
woops.......0-7 i meant.... n/t EX500rider Apr 2014 #98
Oh, sure. Now your story's changing. Orrex Apr 2014 #99
I bet dollars to donuts they ran out sometime in the early days of the roman empire MattBaggins Apr 2014 #139
A couple days a month, most premenopausal women could do this without paintballs. pnwmom Apr 2014 #55
Same here. joshcryer Apr 2014 #67
Who knew Kegel and Rorschach could be such an inspiration in art. Glassunion Apr 2014 #31
I sure hope she sold well... LadyHawkAZ Apr 2014 #33
fucking idiot JI7 Apr 2014 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #54
How pathetically... 3catwoman3 Apr 2014 #36
Exactly Gman Apr 2014 #38
This is just like Jim Carey bending over and using his hands to move his butt cheeks MattBaggins Apr 2014 #140
At least she didn't degrade herself by appearing on the cover of the swimsuit issue of SI. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #42
Well, it's hard to airbrush a live person. cyberswede Apr 2014 #43
True. It is her idea and she's carrying it out treestar Apr 2014 #92
*** Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #148
Bird Shit Art rug Apr 2014 #44
Like I described ina different thread... Archae Apr 2014 #46
I can give this points for good muscular control, but beyond that, not much! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2014 #51
She ain't gettin' squat for these paintings Blue Owl Apr 2014 #56
From a business perspective, she laid an egg. 1000words Apr 2014 #57
As a sex-positive feminist.....I say, more power to her! nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #61
cool story, bro. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #113
Whatever you say, Tuesday. Whatever you say. nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #119
She's claiming she says that to any man who is a sex positive feminist... Violet_Crumble Apr 2014 #156
I guess art is no longer in the eyes of the beholder LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #66
They are both art marions ghost Apr 2014 #75
So is it art if I piss my name in the snow? Major Nikon Apr 2014 #80
Maybe marions ghost Apr 2014 #89
You mean there are bad, unskilled ways to squirt paint out of your cooch? Frank Cannon Apr 2014 #109
Like I said marions ghost Apr 2014 #124
I'll tell you a story. rrneck Apr 2014 #137
DUzy!!! nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #143
Yes. rrneck Apr 2014 #96
You never know Mosby Apr 2014 #123
Such a long time after Duchamp's urinal too marions ghost Apr 2014 #125
If a bystander had kicked one of the scaffolds out from under her, would that be art? Orrex Apr 2014 #90
Wow --I am NOT saying that everything is art marions ghost Apr 2014 #91
Well, that's not really an answer Orrex Apr 2014 #95
Your assumption marions ghost Apr 2014 #104
What are those boundaries? And who decides them? Orrex Apr 2014 #106
Yes--it is art because enough somebodies agree it is marions ghost Apr 2014 #120
Your putting words into my mouth LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #118
OK I took you seriously marions ghost Apr 2014 #121
The emperor is obviously naked, as well. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #74
Vibrant and provocative. AngryAmish Apr 2014 #76
Lebowski anyone? Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #77
Nihilists! Fuck me... demwing Apr 2014 #85
I am the walrus Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #88
Shut the fuck up Donny!!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2014 #145
"Do you like coitus, Mr Lebowski?" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Apr 2014 #111
Johnson? Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #117
Well... 99Forever Apr 2014 #78
A dozen chili burgers and some Ex-lax would have eliminated the need for eggs. L0oniX Apr 2014 #101
anatomy. you might want to study it. - Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #112
Pushing stuff out of the body ...you might want to study it. L0oniX Apr 2014 #130
That is not what you said. As for Art/Performance Art, I could give/take a shit. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #146
The confusion and lack of of sense of humor is all yours. L0oniX Apr 2014 #157
So what is the name of her act? Generic Brad Apr 2014 #102
+1 Frank Cannon Apr 2014 #110
Thread Winner. Game Over. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #115
Creative interpretation marions ghost Apr 2014 #122
Germans. tabasco Apr 2014 #105
HoooWeee! 2naSalit Apr 2014 #116
I love how the guy is snapping away at 1:32 Reter Apr 2014 #126
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Apr 2014 #127
eeeew Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #128
I agree marions ghost Apr 2014 #134
Great way to color easter eggs (nt) The Straight Story Apr 2014 #129
"Your wife was just showing us her Klimt" Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #132
Oy gevalt! Jake Stern Apr 2014 #152
For once I am speechless... yuiyoshida Apr 2014 #155
amazing. . . She call this art SHAMELESS? B Calm Apr 2014 #158
I think I just got sick... Xyzse Apr 2014 #161
LOL +1 B Calm Apr 2014 #164
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