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57. Thanks for the timely reminder

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 05:47 PM

Mar 2012

People on the left cheering for the demise of ACA better be careful about what they wish for. However well we might do in November, we will NOT get a progressive supermajority in Congress to pass single-payer. If the public opinion is really there for single-payer, then the public will have to get worked up enough about it to elect a progressive supermajority in Congress and a supportive POTUS. Otherwise, it just ain't happening anytime soon. Preserving and building on ACA is the way to go, particularly since the law will enable states to create their own systems as long as they meet or exceed the standards laid down by ACA. Being allowed to implement single payer systems at the state level first might be the best thing for creating momentum for single payer at the national level eventually.

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Do not ever make the mistake of thinking that the Republicans are anything but the enemy. [View all] TheWraith Mar 2012 OP

K&R. n/t FSogol Mar 2012 #1

Correct, ain't gonna happen. elleng Mar 2012 #2

"Public opinion has NEVER influenced what the Republicans do. Ever. " annabanana Mar 2012 #3

UNIONS; Collective Bargaining rights; Pensions; Civil Rights; PEACE...... lastlib Mar 2012 #16

Wish I could recommend your post 1000 times. Damn right. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2012 #4

... freshwest Mar 2012 #5

Obama is a better person than me. But he's telling the truth and aren't they howling! freshwest Apr 2012 #127

I don't agree with the term "enemy," but I strongly agree with the ZombieHorde Mar 2012 #6

I have in-laws that are Republican mercymechap Mar 2012 #53

i never make that mistake noiretextatique Mar 2012 #7

I agree, and even if the court just ruled against the mandate, the repukes will insure that nothing still_one Mar 2012 #8

"The enemy"? Really? MadHound Mar 2012 #9

You know exactly what I mean. TheWraith Mar 2012 #10

Given the tenor of your posting history, yes, I know exactly what that means. MadHound Mar 2012 #12

Care to elaborate on that? nt TheWraith Mar 2012 #13

It is difficult to have friends and family who are Republican. northoftheborder Mar 2012 #11

I'm sorry. It's the damned truth. backscatter712 Mar 2012 #25

So my elderly, sweet mother in law is a "deadly enemy"? MadHound Mar 2012 #32

Perhaps you should listen to yourself. Such apologia. Robb Mar 2012 #41

Counterpoint sudopod Mar 2012 #109

I don't think the OP is saying "enemy" like in "terrorists" although Republicans have mercymechap Mar 2012 #55

I don't know your mother-in-law, so I can't speak MineralMan Mar 2012 #95

what about the Nazi's Phlem Mar 2012 #39

Godwin's Law just kicked in LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2012 #46

Godwin's "law" is absolute bullshit... truebrit71 Mar 2012 #59

And many people believe nazi references derail a conversation rather than add to it... n/t A Simple Game Mar 2012 #61

no, it's a brilliant observation of lameness nt bart95 Mar 2012 #84

As is this reply... truebrit71 Mar 2012 #86

godwin's law applies only when cited bart95 Mar 2012 #87

It's total bollocks and a lame way to get out of an argument. truebrit71 Mar 2012 #92

there's only one way you can win this arguement bart95 Mar 2012 #100

I already have 'won'.... truebrit71 Mar 2012 #101

nope, you haven't bart95 Mar 2012 #102

Wow Phlem Mar 2012 #103

Oh quit being such a Nazi... truebrit71 Mar 2012 #107

...as does defending that lame-ass "law" truebrit71 Mar 2012 #106

no, i'm not going to godwin you bart95 Mar 2012 #108

Godwins ASS Phlem Mar 2012 #62

The OP is obviously referring to Republican politicians. nt CJCRANE Mar 2012 #56

Exactly! Wind Dancer Mar 2012 #71

Exactly! Phlem Mar 2012 #75

Thank you Madhound!! Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #104

I also have many Republican family and friends.. I dont necessarily blame them. DCBob Mar 2012 #118

Huh. Maybe you should have told Obama about that? kenny blankenship Mar 2012 #14

+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Mar 2012 #33

oh, I don't know newspeak Mar 2012 #37

PWNED Maven Mar 2012 #43

Recommend. I could not agree more. They've been my enemy for my entire life. Zorra Mar 2012 #15

Thank Jebus nauthiz Mar 2012 #17

Tell that to Abe Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt. C_eh_N_eh_D_eh Mar 2012 #18

Oversimplification: Neoma Mar 2012 #27

Yes, it is, officially. C_eh_N_eh_D_eh Mar 2012 #63

of course repugs weren't always the bad guys newspeak Mar 2012 #114

and Frederick Douglas n/t Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #105

So you have a problem with Dems trying to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat... ClassWarrior Mar 2012 #19

Only one poll ??? slipslidingaway Mar 2012 #20

Cheering on something the GOP wants is...I don't know. CakeGrrl Mar 2012 #21

So "give up Democrat losers?" ClassWarrior Mar 2012 #22

Get Dems in Congress. CakeGrrl Mar 2012 #76

VOTE A STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC BALLOT be happy and sane again! xtraxritical Mar 2012 #28

I doubt that would make us happy and sane... Kablooie Mar 2012 #31

Hah, it won't matter unless tens of millions of Americans more does that n/t AZ Progressive Mar 2012 #90

never happen Phlem Mar 2012 #121

Today's republican politicians are the enemy. Completely agree. indivisibleman Mar 2012 #23

The fact is that the Republican Party made a deal with the devil at any cost to win. olegramps Mar 2012 #80

Where is anyone saying the republicans are our friends? It looks like you twisted things a bit robinlynne Mar 2012 #24

he gets the volume discount from the straw man factory kenny blankenship Mar 2012 #26

straw man factory - lol bart95 Mar 2012 #85

Methinks he's making this up MannyGoldstein Mar 2012 #29

I cannot believe he filled up a page with this...eom Kolesar Mar 2012 #72

Enemies, yes and no DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #30

Agree 100% Doctor_J Mar 2012 #34

if you want to know what republicans are going to try to do turn on the radio certainot Mar 2012 #35

Wish I could recommend this ONE MILLION TIMES!!!!! calimary Mar 2012 #81

great rant!!! certainot Mar 2012 #91

We will fight for economic and social justice. libtodeath Mar 2012 #36

Enemies? davidthegnome Mar 2012 #38

Why don't you tell that to Obama. He's the one who cut the fucking deals with them. nt Poll_Blind Mar 2012 #40

I see where you're coming from. randome Mar 2012 #42

Many single payer people are actually closet communists tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #44

Or they're wishful thinkers who believe, "things have to get worse so they can get better." pnwmom Mar 2012 #45

Nader's attitude did not lead to 8 years of Bush. Election fraud, and Democrats who did not stand robinlynne Mar 2012 #78

Nader chose to campaign hardest in the swing states, and got 95,000 votes in Florida. pnwmom Mar 2012 #79

Gore won by a landslide. Nader had nothing to do with anything. robinlynne Mar 2012 #89

The problem there is several layers deep. YES, nader had that philosophy - the only way to calimary Mar 2012 #82

I agree that we don't know how to fight fire with fire. And John Kerry's response pnwmom Mar 2012 #88

Hey, Senator McCarthy! Did you know that our choices are not 'single payer' or 'what we Bluenorthwest Mar 2012 #98

Not all Republicans are evil. Jamaal510 Mar 2012 #47

"We didn't know" is an old, lame excuse for Zorra Mar 2012 #51

Republicans are nothing more than spoiled little brats who pretend to care about you when it suits Pakid Mar 2012 #48

They may be the enemy, but that doesn't mean you're my friend. Maven Mar 2012 #49

you're right samsingh Mar 2012 #50

The only blessing I think will come from the Supreme Court claiming that the PPACA is mercymechap Mar 2012 #52

k&r... the mandate was their frickin' idea. spanone Mar 2012 #54

Thanks for the timely reminder Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2012 #57

Amen! BumRushDaShow Mar 2012 #58

RepubliCons are a dangerous cult magic59 Mar 2012 #60

It appears you don't have a very diverse circle of friends. A Simple Game Mar 2012 #64

Modern Day Republicans and Conservatives are playing for Keeps and are at War with us. Homer12 Mar 2012 #65

SHHHH Phlem Mar 2012 #117

In a world of scarcity sulphurdunn Mar 2012 #66

Wow ... Dead and Spot On! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2012 #67

Never did, never will Aerows Mar 2012 #68

thank you. Phlem Mar 2012 #122

Don't thank me Aerows Apr 2012 #123

So my husband is the enemy? Seeking Serenity Mar 2012 #69

Yes He Is TheMastersNemesis Mar 2012 #94

+1 Phlem Mar 2012 #116

Never in my adult life... Orrex Mar 2012 #70

I hear ya Phlem Mar 2012 #115

K & R! Wind Dancer Mar 2012 #73

Harumph harumph harumph progressoid Mar 2012 #74

Nope, never make that error. No bipartisanship nonsense, none of their counter productive policies, TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #77

the greatest mistake you can make in thinking bart95 Mar 2012 #83

Oh, yes. randome Mar 2012 #93

you are describing the republican base. Phlem Mar 2012 #112

i meant it without qualification bart95 Mar 2012 #119

I mostly agree with you Phlem Mar 2012 #120

Of course the GOP is always the enemy. Now the President spent many months telling us Bluenorthwest Mar 2012 #96

Honey, the REPUBLICANS had better not mistake ME for anything but the Enemy LaydeeBug Mar 2012 #97

I distrust the GOP almost as much as... LanternWaste Mar 2012 #99

You...I like you. nt sudopod Mar 2012 #111

Such black and white thinking is painful to watch. sudopod Mar 2012 #110

yes until Phlem Mar 2012 #113

Your experience is not unique. sudopod Apr 2012 #125

we don't discuss politics in our family much anymore rppper Apr 2012 #124

Same here Phlem Apr 2012 #126

Before they destroyed manufacturing, there was a need for Republicans... Pedalpower Apr 2012 #128