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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
16. Well, revenge is one of the rationales for punishment.
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:03 PM
May 2014

Actually, retribution is the more accurate term here, because revenge is personal -- i.e. the victim of a crime might want revenge, but a third-party observer who wasn't individually hurt can only really be interested in retribution -- the idea that people who do harm deserve to have harm done to them.

Punishment can also serve to discipline -- this is primarily what parents use punishment for. It's not that they think that their children deserve to suffer for missing curfew or whatever, it's that being grounded will make the kids more likely to obey the rules in the future, and generally be good respectful people. Another purpose is deterrence. And, with respect to incarceration, another purpose is keeping criminals separate from the population so they can't commit crimes.

But the death penalty can't be justified on any of these other grounds. The only rationale is retribution, and that is certainly not in any way comparable to parents punishing their children.

Simple bloodlust... TreasonousBastard May 2014 #1
if killing anybody's such a terrible crime / unblock May 2014 #2
The call for executions comes primarily from people... Orsino May 2014 #3
Your argument is circular. FBaggins May 2014 #4
If they don't like the idea of "killing" or "revenge" what are they cheering about? Maraya1969 May 2014 #9
Justice? Closure? Retribution? FBaggins May 2014 #14
Example - Ted Bundy. And the fact that black men are sentenced to death at a rate at least Maraya1969 May 2014 #20
I don't have to answer for them. Why don't you ask them? Throd May 2014 #5
That's the answer... Open_n_Shut May 2014 #22
pretty shallow thinking imho Sheepshank May 2014 #6
Umm, the death penalty isn't part of responsible parenting. DanTex May 2014 #7
But realizing there is a difference between PUNISHMENT and REVENGE, IS a part of parenting Sheepshank May 2014 #15
Well, revenge is one of the rationales for punishment. DanTex May 2014 #16
nope...clearly you are not speaking for everyone. Sheepshank May 2014 #17
Of course I'm not speaking for everyone. DanTex May 2014 #18
Parents don't jump for glee when they punish their children. Unless there is something wrong with Maraya1969 May 2014 #8
unfortunately I think too many parents do jump for glee when punishing their children. Shoulders of Giants May 2014 #11
Why are these people cheering? MO_Moderate May 2014 #10
The people holding candlelight vigils are doing it because a murder is going to take place that is Maraya1969 May 2014 #19
Yep, that's their misguided reasoning MO_Moderate May 2014 #21
There is no error so monstrous that it fails to find defenders among the ablest men. Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #12
The fact that some people believe it's about revenge doesn't preclude other people el_bryanto May 2014 #13
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