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lumberjack_jeff

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95. The die is cast long before they get to your grade level

Sun May 4, 2014, 11:12 PM

May 2014

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2010/sep/01/girls-boys-schools-gender-gap

By secondary school, it's too late to fix the problem.

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Fox News host: �Feminism is to blame� when boys do poorly in school [View all] YoungDemCA May 2014 OP

My mother was fairly Liberal for her day, but I remember when she told me she wasn't Tikki May 2014 #1

Her reasons may have been off, but it's better - far better- No Vested Interest May 2014 #25

She had no problem announcing each of my brothers' IQ results. She truly didn't want to upset them. Tikki May 2014 #27

I realize those instances do sting for girls, as happened No Vested Interest May 2014 #33

That is such utter bullshit on so many levels - and sadly many people believe it groundloop May 2014 #2

The very act of supporting women is discriminatory toward men. boston bean May 2014 #5

+1 Enthusiast May 2014 #77

this feminist has never allowed my two boys to make excuses for them choosing not to work. put in seabeyond May 2014 #3

What's his DU name? LeftyMom May 2014 #4

. boston bean May 2014 #6

omg... just coming off my post, totally disgusted, .... as a mom of two boys. seabeyond May 2014 #7

So if it quacks like a duck.... Major Nikon May 2014 #26

moooo. i am off to spend time with son. not gunna try to follow a duck seabeyond May 2014 #30

.....sigh....... alittlelark May 2014 #100

+++ Starry Messenger May 2014 #13

DU *names* CreekDog May 2014 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author name not needed May 2014 #29

I think we all want to know if we can liberally steal the phrase "lady-hating idiots." Squinch May 2014 #31

I would get a hide. You, too. Nt seabeyond May 2014 #34

From a posse of lady hating idiots, no doubt! Squinch May 2014 #35

Laughing my fuggin' ass off. Fuggin' is now a part of my autocorrect. Nt seabeyond May 2014 #37

So pointing out that schools are failing boys makes one a "lady-hating idiot"? Major Nikon May 2014 #38

When it's an argument being used in bad faith by people who hate women? LeftyMom May 2014 #41

So who is making that argument here? Major Nikon May 2014 #51

Are you trying to provoke me into a callout? LeftyMom May 2014 #52

Passive-aggressive is a better adjective. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #59

I'm pretty sure it was you calling other DUer's idiots unprovoked Major Nikon May 2014 #61

Well, check out this thread thucythucy May 2014 #72

Actually the arguments are 180 out from each other Major Nikon May 2014 #75

Not quite. thucythucy May 2014 #116

The first part is glaringly apparent Major Nikon May 2014 #122

Blaming it on feminism does. wickerwoman May 2014 #47

Good point Major Nikon May 2014 #50

See post 16. wickerwoman May 2014 #57

I didn't. Read better. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #60

I've already seen and replied to it Major Nikon May 2014 #65

excellent link. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #49

" many regard this kind of favoritism a form of social justice" sufrommich May 2014 #62

not to mention, many of them are quite conservative Iris May 2014 #132

What about all the studies that show boys get more attention? knitter4democracy May 2014 #64

Of course they get more attention. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #66

True, and that is something we have to work on. knitter4democracy May 2014 #73

...and get paid more for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. elehhhhna May 2014 #119

Wow. You speak for the cabal of "many" preschool teaching women? elehhhhna May 2014 #118

and they continue to..... bettyellen May 2014 #121

I wish we'd known this back when I was in school. Orrex May 2014 #8

Our schools also place more emphasis on boys in sports than they do girls. Could it be that boys jwirr May 2014 #9

There might even be a biological explanation for this gap: surrealAmerican May 2014 #10

point surreal. i will also suggest they are being hit hard with... boys are suppose to be proud of seabeyond May 2014 #12

parents... not school places the emphasis. seabeyond May 2014 #11

Holy Horseshit, Batman. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #14

I am man, hear me whine lame54 May 2014 #15

Education is failing boys and those feminists who don't care ARE part of the problem. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #16

parents.... are faililng our boys, allowing society to define them. nt seabeyond May 2014 #18

No. Parents work within an educational system in which 80% of teachers are women. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #22

when did you sign your boys over to the school. cause i NEVER did. not only did i make that clear seabeyond May 2014 #23

so this would be a change over decades/centuries past how? teachers in the lower grades have TheFrenchRazor May 2014 #67

+1 nt laundry_queen May 2014 #68

How old are you? lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #70

Primary and secondary schools are designed to help sufrommich May 2014 #76

i'm 48, and yes, some things have changed, mostly due to the hysteria over school shootings; TheFrenchRazor May 2014 #108

No. YoungDemCA May 2014 #20

The author must be a MRA Major Nikon May 2014 #21

Why know, in fact, she's written stuff that the MRA's around geek tragedy May 2014 #125

I won't dispute that at all Major Nikon May 2014 #126

Pffft. What a bunch of evolutionary psychology nonsense. alp227 May 2014 #39

Then why are boys doing better in school than they have at any point in the past? Recursion May 2014 #105

Yours is the exact counterargument that the 1% use about wealth inequality. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #112

Yes, I am exactly like the 1% Recursion May 2014 #114

Inequality is good? Then yes, you are. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #115

you misread the post or are intentionally making NO sense now elehhhhna May 2014 #120

Either... lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #127

you peons etc. is what YOU said. elehhhhna May 2014 #129

the teachers are not creating the modern education system Iris May 2014 #133

WAR ON WOMEN JaneyVee May 2014 #17

Tantaros and Kilmeade deserve each other. They are both horrid, horrid people. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #19

So what is Kilmeade's excuse for being a wuss? SummerSnow May 2014 #28

Maybe boys know they don't need to work as hard because they'll make more money after Squinch May 2014 #32

good point. Iris May 2014 #134

One of those things that can't be discussed. Igel May 2014 #36

+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #46

Thank you. woolldog May 2014 #63

It gets really interesting if you dig a little deeper into the numbers Major Nikon May 2014 #69

These are the same people who hate affirmative action sufrommich May 2014 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author YoungDemCA May 2014 #93

The reasons can be debated, but the statistics is showing a problem with boys and education davidn3600 May 2014 #42

Why compare to women. Are more men getting more degrees than the past? Yes. That has nothing to do seabeyond May 2014 #44

The AEI appreciates your using their materials again. LeftyMom May 2014 #45

Are you serious right now??? davidn3600 May 2014 #54

Non-MRA, Non-AEI sources explain that very well. LeftyMom May 2014 #58

The fact you care so little about the other gender is a bit alarming... davidn3600 May 2014 #78

So your sources are the AEI and an "education consultant" who gets rich kids into rich kid colleges? LeftyMom May 2014 #79

How about several teachers and personal experience with the education system?? davidn3600 May 2014 #81

Well that's a convincing argument. LeftyMom May 2014 #83

Jury Results giftedgirl77 May 2014 #88

If the facts are not on your side, argue the principles. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #90

Sometimes this place amazes me with the stupid giftedgirl77 May 2014 #91

what stupid shit? calling out right wing sources? that used to be the norm on DU Iris May 2014 #135

What right wing sources? giftedgirl77 May 2014 #137

ALERTER'S COMMENTS- These charts are materials generated by the AEI, a conservative right wing think Iris May 2014 #138

Jury results 2-5 to leave & told the alerter the alert was giftedgirl77 May 2014 #142

No, it's not. it's not ridiculous for people who have been here for a while, played by the rules, Iris May 2014 #143

Oh well, such as life. giftedgirl77 May 2014 #145

Not at all. Boys are much better off academically than a generation ago Recursion May 2014 #99

This is not success. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #109

Third Way thinking strikes again.... Bluenorthwest May 2014 #43

They're wanting to move my 4th grade boy to 6th next year. ileus May 2014 #48

So much for "personal responsibility" Coventina May 2014 #53

My nephew has parents oldandhappy May 2014 #55

What a load of crap. City Lights May 2014 #56

Bwahahahaha ismnotwasm May 2014 #71

Back in the 1950s, there were a lot of hand wringing articles Warpy May 2014 #74

As a male HS teacher... jimlup May 2014 #80

Thank you ismnotwasm May 2014 #85

Yes - it isn't an "us" or "them" thing jimlup May 2014 #86

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #82

Feminism isn't to blame for boys falling behind Harmony Blue May 2014 #84

Gosh, I hope the number of posters rushing to agree with Fox news gets the attention of DU's owners. Starry Messenger May 2014 #87

Wildly tortured logic on FOX? Say it ain't so! DirkGently May 2014 #89

Several thoughts dsc May 2014 #92

The die is cast long before they get to your grade level lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #95

Reading some of the responses here *almost* makes me regret posting this thread YoungDemCA May 2014 #94

all thru the school years of my boys, i watched excuses made for boys that did not do well. seabeyond May 2014 #96

Y'all are heavily invested in denying that the problem exists. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #97

who brought up hitler but you. and ya.... i take this seriously. our boys. and our boys education seabeyond May 2014 #101

Acknowledging the problem and demanding attention to it isn't "hurting our boys" lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #111

I think you are wrong and have stated why I believe you are incorrect seabeyond May 2014 #113

further jeff, it is a good thing that i did not buy into this crap. selling my boys short. seeing seabeyond May 2014 #103

Again, it falls to feminism to take care of males BainsBane May 2014 #130

I don't feel that should be the case. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #131

feminsts who care about equality should force boys to study, and men to go to doctors to use the bettyellen May 2014 #139

Feminists who don't care about the well being of boys and men shouldn't hide behind "equality". lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #144

They're interested in achieving equality for women, silly... bettyellen May 2014 #146

"equality for me" is an oxymoron. Equality for me *demands* equality for you. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #147

Women work toward equal opportunities because they were denied them- bettyellen May 2014 #148

The hit dogs yelped. Starry Messenger May 2014 #107

Transparency is good, always good to see who aligns geek tragedy May 2014 #123

And yet, boys are doing better than they did "before feminism" Recursion May 2014 #98

of course they are. and that does not seem to matter. it is all about the fact girls, once given seabeyond May 2014 #102

Yeah, there was a chart here that was a huge red flag for me. Recursion May 2014 #104

Nice sig-line. Maybe I didn't notice it before. randome May 2014 #141

This thread is fascinating... Ohio Joe May 2014 #106

there are entire user groups here dedicated to agreeing with fox. nt geek tragedy May 2014 #124

it's not fascinating; it's disgusting Iris May 2014 #136

Very special personal responsibility from Fox News Tom Ripley May 2014 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author Glassunion May 2014 #117

If my gender made .70 for every dollar the other one did, I'd work harder in school too Hippo_Tron May 2014 #128

Fucking women! randome May 2014 #140