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sabrina 1

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39. Excellent points, Laelth. My only addition to your post is to ask since we now KNOW that money
Wed May 7, 2014, 12:42 PM
May 2014

decides our elections, where does the money come from? If it were coming from the people there would be a better chance of the people influencing the choice of candidates. But if you look at the donations they are coming from mostly from Big Corporations who have a vested interested in what laws are put in place that might affect their businesses.

I haven't done it yet, but a study of the donations would help to understand some of the reasons why we get candidates (speaking of Dems) who speak about issues we care about, seem to be sincere in their support for those issues, then we are disappointed later when they flip flop on some of the most important issues.

Were they sincere during their campaigns or just working to get the votes they need to win? Take Wheeler eg, nominated by Obama who was absolutely convincing in his campaign that he would fight for Net Neutrality. But his nomination of Wheeler seems to say something else. Wheeler was a Cable Co. Lobbyist. Wouldn't it have made more sense to have nominated someone who had no such conflict of interest? Then see the money Wheeler donated to his campaign. Was he owed that position because of that money?

Another possibility is that Obama thought he could get him on our side and better to have an insider, INSIDE in order to influence him not to work on the outside, influencing members of Congress eg, with donations etc.

Whatever the reason, nominations like that raise questions as we now see the result with Net Neutrality looking more and more threatened.

That is just one such nomination.

Or is it something more ominous. Are there 'national policies' in place that no president can change? And do they know that before they get to the primaries?

We have this thing called "Primaries" VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #1
We know unconstitutionally required ID's will make the difference this november randys1 May 2014 #2
Hmm ... Laelth May 2014 #3
99% don't get out and get OTHER people to vote WITH Them VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #4
Then get out in the real world and do something other than admonish those that WILL vote Dragonfli May 2014 #48
Are you accusing me....because I did door to door last election....so VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #49
You should be doing it now if GOTV were as important to you as you claim Dragonfli May 2014 #50
Already making plans to travel to another state to do exactly that.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #51
Stop making "plans", get out the vote or STFU Dragonfli May 2014 #58
I don't JUST make plans.....I carry them out.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #60
You are the one constantly yelling at DUers to get out and vote, not me Dragonfli May 2014 #61
I already told you....I do... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #63
If they were more than posers looking for a pat on the back here Dragonfli May 2014 #47
LOL. Good post. Thanks. n/t Laelth May 2014 #52
May not need them if Joe Biden decides to run? hughee99 May 2014 #32
VP gets poll position.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #40
Is there any poll which lists Biden as the favorite in a Democratic primary? hughee99 May 2014 #42
What do YOU think happens it Biden decides to run even with Hillary in? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #43
If Biden gets in while Clinton is in, we're still going to need a primary. hughee99 May 2014 #44
Not messy at all...unusually UNMESSY in fact.....UNLESS Joe Biden decides to run... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #46
I occasionally see these posts that say 'we don't need a primary' when an incumbent is running Bluenorthwest May 2014 #38
and I didn't say we didn't need it....do you know the history of being Vice President VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #41
Obama had his own fundraising behemoth a year before Kerry's endorsement frazzled May 2014 #5
I suspect Kerry threw his weight behind Obama long before January 10, 2008. Laelth May 2014 #7
"Supposing" is mere conjecture frazzled May 2014 #14
I mentioned in the OP that Obama improved upon Kerry's machine. Laelth May 2014 #22
Very true davidpdx May 2014 #10
Great post, Laelth! Octafish May 2014 #6
Thanks for the response and for the kind words. n/t Laelth May 2014 #37
Your problem is that Obama's machine no longer exists. It was a one time thing, successful but... CK_John May 2014 #8
Interesting response. Thanks. Laelth May 2014 #15
Thanks for this thread NV Whino May 2014 #9
If Hillary wants to run (and Joe Biden does not), I agree. Laelth May 2014 #55
Excellent essay Le Taz Hot May 2014 #11
Obama will back either Clinton or Biden and that has nothing to do with "corporatism" stevenleser May 2014 #19
"a serious stab in the back" Oh well we're used to that. L0oniX May 2014 #25
Ultimately, I agree. Laelth May 2014 #26
I have to admit I'm interested in Warren davidpdx May 2014 #12
I linked to Amazon in the OP. Laelth May 2014 #28
For overseas davidpdx May 2014 #65
Very cool. Thanks. n/t Laelth May 2014 #66
The voters will choose. That's why there are primary elections. MineralMan May 2014 #13
Mineral Man, I have to admit ... Laelth May 2014 #16
Idealism only dies when people stop striving for the ideal. MineralMan May 2014 #17
My idealism died many years ago and has been replaced by reality and sarcasm Exposethefrauds May 2014 #24
If you are a compelling candidate, you can raise enough money to compete in the first 2-3 contests stevenleser May 2014 #18
Perhaps, but ... Laelth May 2014 #56
The 1% will give us our "choices" LittleBlue May 2014 #20
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #21
Kick this sad, but true thread. Scuba May 2014 #23
Thanks, Scuba. Laelth May 2014 #70
Wall Street and the upper crust. SamKnause May 2014 #27
President Obama has NEVER chosen or appointed someone from the Progressive Wing of the Party... bvar22 May 2014 #29
In all fairness ... Laelth May 2014 #30
...and there was Hilda Solis, appointed as Labor Srcretary in his frist administration, bvar22 May 2014 #34
Cabinet appointments matter a great deal. Laelth May 2014 #54
The money already has. n/t Orsino May 2014 #31
i didn't think my vote mattered, anyway. Sheri May 2014 #33
I sincerely hope you're not talking about my poll Fearless May 2014 #35
No. I wasn't. Laelth May 2014 #53
Interesting post...but, I'd say it isn't Barack Obama who will decide... KoKo May 2014 #36
Excellent points, Laelth. My only addition to your post is to ask since we now KNOW that money sabrina 1 May 2014 #39
Thanks for the kind words and for the response. Laelth May 2014 #69
Ahhh so refreshing to see someone who thinks we Exposethefrauds May 2014 #45
Recommend KoKo May 2014 #57
Thanks. n/t Laelth May 2014 #71
K & R !!! WillyT May 2014 #59
Bankers and Wall Street alarimer May 2014 #62
Did it ever occur to any of you Warren supporters that maybe Hillary is the one Democrat Beacool May 2014 #64
I don't think there'd be any difference between a President H. Clinton ecstatic May 2014 #67
I suspect their cabinets would be very different. Laelth May 2014 #68
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