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1StrongBlackMan

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9. Isn't it really ...

Thu May 8, 2014, 10:55 AM

May 2014

a refusal to accept that one MIGHT have failed or been far less successful; but for the accident of birth, while ignoring what you already know ... that those lacking your accident of birth REALLY do face head winds that you do not.

I find it interesting that some ("liberals/progressive&quot so readily accept the "No man is an island" ... until it requires access their personal circumstance, especially when viewed through a race/gender-conscious lense.

Put another way ...

"I (white, "liberal/progressive" male) accept that Racism/sexism is real."

"I (white, "liberal/progressive" male) accept that Racism/sexism is serves as an impediment to/negatively affects PoC and/or Women's prospects for success."

"I (white, "liberal/progressive" male) accept that I am not personally or directly, negatively affected by Racism/sexism."

But ...

"I (white, "liberal/progressive" male) refuse to accept that the absence of being negatively affected by Racism/sexism has anything to do with MY prospects for success."

Note: I speak of white, "liberal/progressive" males because white, non-liberal/progressive males have never made the serious representation that they were my/our allies in the struggle of equality; whereas, white, "liberal/progressive" male have/do.

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Bye-bye, whiny white dudes: Tucker Carlson, Tal Fortgang and the weakening grip of entitlement [View all] DonViejo May 2014 OP

They're all going down and nothing can stop it. randome May 2014 #1

+1 Enrique May 2014 #2

+1 lunasun May 2014 #51

I wouldn't call it whining. badtoworse May 2014 #3

it's an exaggerated preoccupation with one's self-worth Enrique May 2014 #5

Framing the issue as privilege creates a conflict that cannot be resolved. badtoworse May 2014 #14

Let me ask you ... ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #23

The wealthy person's situation is a little more complicated badtoworse May 2014 #28

What if you JustAnotherGen May 2014 #50

"Does that shift the prism? " badtoworse May 2014 #85

one trouble is with the "sense of accomplishment" hfojvt May 2014 #261

I can't disagree with anything you posted badtoworse May 2014 #262

I don't know JustAnotherGen May 2014 #270

so you're saying ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #52

I said the bar should be set higher if you are wealthy badtoworse May 2014 #83

"...can't justify a sense of self worth and accomplishment." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #133

The big lie Cartoonist May 2014 #29

I would not say ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #54

As if a white lily could grow out of thin air Supersedeas May 2014 #267

If your white parents are in a department store and steal something and walk out the door next to jtuck004 May 2014 #36

"Because it could be resolved tomorrow if white people would quit giving other white people a pass nomorenomore08 May 2014 #135

There's some truth to that. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #200

Since this is all about you ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #214

that's the point...these things actually happen Supersedeas May 2014 #269

first of all "creates a conflict" Enrique May 2014 #55

It's about winning people over to your side. badtoworse May 2014 #90

What you call "pushing the 'white privilege' meme" others call redqueen May 2014 #110

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #121

The framing should be that all of us should enjoy the same basic level of respect and opportunity. badtoworse May 2014 #156

Institutional racism is the BIGGEST factor we face. bravenak May 2014 #160

You have your opinion and I have mine. badtoworse May 2014 #175

Ha! bravenak May 2014 #181

Hmmm ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #186

Thats what i got from it. bravenak May 2014 #188

Uncomfortable has nothing to do with it. badtoworse May 2014 #211

Sure. bravenak May 2014 #212

"Besides that, I'm concerned it could get ugly..." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #250

Actually, I was thinking of something completely different badtoworse May 2014 #257

Okay, I was being excessively snarky. But what you present as a cause is really more of a symptom. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #258

How can we ever fight institutional racism if we do not discuss Jamastiene Jul 2014 #273

Additionally ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #107

And some here work very hard to push the idea that wealth/class is all that matters. redqueen May 2014 #111

that narrow-mindedness about what restricts us as a nation is confining Supersedeas May 2014 #249

Your reason is cramping an agenda -nt Bonx May 2014 #116

So? badtoworse May 2014 #119

So don't give in :) Bonx May 2014 #152

They were probably still better off than black kids at the same economic level, I have to say. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #132

And having been born in years when capital had much less power and inequality-- eridani May 2014 #236

It's the mark of a narcissist to take everything personally. Now, most young people are probably nomorenomore08 May 2014 #140

Isn't it really ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #9

I believe there are better ways to frame the issue. badtoworse May 2014 #18

People have been talking nicely and politely about oppression for decades. redqueen May 2014 #20

We'll just have to disagree about whether "white privilege" is going to accomplish anything. badtoworse May 2014 #21

Mirror time! ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #118

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS redqueen May 2014 #124

It's always telling, which "side" a person seems to sympathize with, isn't it? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #138

What do you think I'm defending? badtoworse May 2014 #144

True ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #145

*facepalm*. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #204

Cosign. bravenak May 2014 #210

all this talk about framing. I'd like to take a picture of these DUers using that tactic and Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #22

the animosity is already there. derp. that you don't recognize it will be your downfall. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #24

that's an important point Supersedeas May 2014 #266

I see what you're saying. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #11

You still just do not get it. nt redqueen May 2014 #15

many are missing the boat entirely Supersedeas May 2014 #268

As a ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #17

Did you have a problem with it? redqueen May 2014 #19

My reply to that OP: AverageJoe90 May 2014 #26

Yep. And yeah there's frustration, and it's real, but it is meaningless. redqueen May 2014 #32

And? And? AverageJoe90 May 2014 #39

You're seriously comparing the phrase "white privilege" with violence and hate. redqueen May 2014 #42

I didn't even say anything about "white privilege" in that post. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #44

Just what is it that you think Tap Fortgang was whining about? redqueen May 2014 #48

"Your disingenuousness is so tiring." I could say the same for you, after what you just pulled. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #78

Not to mention ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #151

Yeah, disgusting but hardly surprising. redqueen May 2014 #153

Correction ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #150

"Stop white washing Malcolm!!!" You might wanna tone it down a notch.....no offense. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #155

It does TBH. bravenak May 2014 #157

Unity is all well and good, but not at the expense of other things (like being truthful). n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #170

Those hostile to full civil ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #173

"Those hostile to full civil ...and human rights of Black people;" Well, I'm not, for one. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #174

Yes, you are and yes there are ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #182

"Yes, you are". Please tell me you're not serious about this shit. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #185

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"so yes, you oppose Civil Rights for all people" Then I'm afraid you don't know jack about me. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #191

I know you by what you write ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #194

"I know you by what you write ..." Given what you've said, no, you clearly don't. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #196

My bad, I mistyped ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #215

..... AverageJoe90 May 2014 #219

Can you deny that a system of white supremacy would include ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #225

"Can you argue that racism is not about white supremacy?" I never have. EOM AverageJoe90 May 2014 #229

Now respond to the rest of the post. eom. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #232

Maybe you should stop 'suggesting' things in that patronizing way. bravenak May 2014 #183

"It may help you in the discussion to have a little humility." AverageJoe90 May 2014 #187

You are the one. bravenak May 2014 #190

If I thought that begging and pleading would get you to PLEASE stop participating in threads on race Number23 May 2014 #218

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So YOU are having to explain to US, the poor miseducated Negroes here, how racism works? Number23 May 2014 #237

Do you not understand how hard it is for him to have to tell you over and over how wrong you Squinch May 2014 #259

I know. Apparently what everyone needs is a white man to explain their life experiences to them Number23 May 2014 #264

The stubbornness of that one, in his insistence that he knows all about the experiences of Squinch May 2014 #265

The only utterly confused person in this thread ... kwassa May 2014 #246

You literally just told him to "watch his tone." Jamastiene Jul 2014 #274

now there's a rhetorical device...whitewashing Malcolm Supersedeas May 2014 #247

Intentionally Applied. eom 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #248

K&R nt redqueen May 2014 #4

I see Salon has stooped to the racist name-calling propaganda Corruption Inc May 2014 #6

That "racist bullsh!t" IS an "actual problem" ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #10

+1,000... DonViejo May 2014 #13

wonder how much these whiny white dudes will like the solution? Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #25

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That may be BIGOTRY; but it's NOT racism ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #46

It is pathetic how many people refuse to understand this. redqueen May 2014 #49

I responded the other day ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #59

I guess even though it seems pointless sometimes, it is worth explaining it over and over. redqueen May 2014 #80

Only problem is, that's not quite true. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #114

There is literally nothing better than white men who explain racism and sexism redqueen May 2014 #120

Oh, boo hoo. A fellow feminist disagreed with you on the Internet. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #122

Why not explain racism some more? redqueen May 2014 #123

" Why not explain racism some more?" I was thinking the same thing of you, TBH. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #125

I'm not your "amiga". redqueen May 2014 #128

"You may think you're convincing, but TBH, you're the opposite." I'm sorry you feel that way. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #130

I noticed that too, LOL. Must be the Varshta effect... bettyellen May 2014 #146

I dunno, maybe. redqueen May 2014 #154

Noticed it as well. There is one that is basically a parody of a feminist, and I am sure bettyellen May 2014 #159

I didn't see any fellow feminists disagreeing with her. Where did you see that? Squinch May 2014 #260

Especially when they tell you they have saved a place on the back of their bus for us..... bettyellen May 2014 #147

Honestly, this is pure baloney. PURE baloney. EOM AverageJoe90 May 2014 #199

I have had enough of your unfounded personal attacks Joe- stop stalking me and calling me a liar. bettyellen May 2014 #201

I didn't say or imply you were necessarily lying, TBH. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #202

this is the third time you but yourself into another conversation to call me a liar.... bettyellen May 2014 #205

"Your attention is hostile and unwelcomed. Got it?" I could've said the same to you. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #207

Just FYI pipoman May 2014 #206

Gotta love jurors who confuse calling out sexism WITH sexism. LOL. Bravo, juror #7. bettyellen May 2014 #209

See 114. There is a difference between personal & institutional racism. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #115

We have had that argument before ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #131

Don't you just hate it when a white woman... DonViejo May 2014 #12

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Soviet Bear says Capt. Obvious May 2014 #16

It's a white privilege beatdown Supersedeas May 2014 #184

Neither of these guys are really that culturally significant or smart pscot May 2014 #7

Let 'em sit in their own soiled diapers Blue Owl May 2014 #8

You will probably be the first person I put on ignore Harmony Blue May 2014 #27

Why? HangOnKids May 2014 #31

K & R ! Coventina May 2014 #30

"The weakening grip of entitlement"- oh really? LittleBlue May 2014 #33

+1 deutsey May 2014 #34

I see your point. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #41

Why is it so difficult for you to see the wedge already exists 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #73

"Why is it so difficult for you to see the wedge already exists" Never said it didn't. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #82

And yet ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #112

I'm afraid if if either of the two of us holding up the status quo, unknowingly or not...... AverageJoe90 May 2014 #113

Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #126

Yes it is. bravenak May 2014 #129

I prefer country bread rolls myself.....with a side of sawmill gravy. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #134

Dangit Joe!! bravenak May 2014 #136

Nope ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #139

We have one of those too. bravenak May 2014 #141

I'm pretty sure every family has at least one ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #142

Just stop it. You're pontificating on subjects you obviously know very little about. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #169

I'm sorry you feel that way. I really am. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #171

Would it be maybe worth asking *why* your views conflict with theirs? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #172

It has to do with practicality, to be honest. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #176

Okay, I understand. I think it's more the (possibly unintentional) know-it-all-tone that rubs people nomorenomore08 May 2014 #179

I think I see where you're coming from. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #203

See, as a white guy, I pretty much take for granted that people of color know what they're talking nomorenomore08 May 2014 #234

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This here shows you know nothing of the Black experience ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #217

"And please stop with that Black exhibiting "personal racism" crap." AverageJoe90 May 2014 #233

Please explain how a PoC will/could possibly NOT be affected by structural racism. eom 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #235

Still waiting ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #238

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I guess about now you are realizing just how vacuous ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #244

Funny you should mention Tim Wise ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #216

You claimed your views were "fact-based" in contrast to BainsBane May 2014 #223

I'm sorry, but you REALLY need to get with the program. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #228

No ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #195

Excellent point. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #198

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Seriously. The Democratic party needs to pander to the tea bagging white dudes! I'm SErIES!!!!!!1111 uppityperson May 2014 #37

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Ah, so don't call teabagging white dudez whiny? What "middle ground" should the Dems go for? uppityperson May 2014 #47

I'm digging in JustAnotherGen May 2014 #53

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LOL...suuuure cyberswede May 2014 #61

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"There is no such thing as white male privilege"? Uh. Huh. Why spend this amount of time and energy uppityperson May 2014 #69

Probably because they see other DUers saying the same thing, and not getting PPRd. redqueen May 2014 #74

Boom! Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #84

"White privilege pushers" is the new term BainsBane May 2014 #197

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Uh. Huh. Poor white dude, being picked on so much for having privilege pointed out. uppityperson May 2014 #79

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. WhiteStraitDudezRule! uppityperson May 2014 #87

There's no white privilege, we just own the society and you should thank us for it arcane1 May 2014 #89

Oh thank you massa for the society you done created so us black disabled lesbians can get welfare!!! uppityperson May 2014 #93

Indeed, it's one small step away from "they were better off as slaves" arcane1 May 2014 #97

quit being so mean!!!!!!!!!!!!!! uppityperson May 2014 #99

I can't help it, I'm a white Uncle Tom. Or Cousin Tom or whateverthehellitis. arcane1 May 2014 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author redqueen May 2014 #102

Your impotence is showing arcane1 May 2014 #88

What an utter pant load. cyberswede May 2014 #91

would a hidden post help? uppityperson May 2014 #96

LOL... cyberswede May 2014 #105

That is good, I hate risking my alerting status unnecessarily. uppityperson May 2014 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author cyberswede May 2014 #101

Should I kiss your feet or something? greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #94

LOL, yet another one Skittles May 2014 #98

Are you a MO moderate? cyberswede May 2014 #72

Silly you, thinking this was about "the best interest of white males" when it's actually about bettyellen May 2014 #75

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oh noes!Are you going to stomp off now?"You've already insulted me enough and worn out my good will" uppityperson May 2014 #95

LOL, I needed a microscope to find your "good will" and it was indeed stunted and teensy. Reminded bettyellen May 2014 #100

And all it took was five posts! greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #106

Here, have a mojito! greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #62

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Good day for one! greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #76

! uppityperson May 2014 #65

I'll drink to that! arcane1 May 2014 #81

are you saying you are a "White Male IndieTeaPublicans"? uppityperson May 2014 #63

On the way! cyberswede May 2014 #66

Congratulations JustAnotherGen May 2014 #67

Doubtful you were a useful ally at all. bettyellen May 2014 #71

Mmm hmm cyberswede May 2014 #38

Dang, someone alerted on him. uppityperson May 2014 #58

Not me either JustAnotherGen May 2014 #70

"our culture doesn�t generally encourage boys to feel compassion or curiosity beyond.... bettyellen May 2014 #56

it's necessary to read Fortgang's article to appreciate this Enrique May 2014 #57

So true, I can't imagine defending this BS after reading his original piece. Both the college rag bettyellen May 2014 #103

+1 uponit7771 May 2014 #104

Tal Fartgag Blue Owl May 2014 #117

I didn't like his piece so much either. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #127

They read it and they agree with it. Starry Messenger May 2014 #149

That little dipshit is jewish MattBaggins May 2014 #180

Patriarchal bullshittery. undeterred May 2014 #137

You'll have to forgive me. I don't think telling any group or race 'bye' and gleefully... Shandris May 2014 #143

you are forgiven for misunderstanding this was about whiny RW bullshiters who happen to deny that bettyellen May 2014 #158

I absolutely agree. Shandris May 2014 #161

Oh, the sensationalistic "Bye Bye!"? Yeah, I never thought it was about any violent overthrow, just bettyellen May 2014 #162

Yah, you hit. Sensationalism in headlines is one of those things that really hits my... Shandris May 2014 #163

Well, Tucker is probably going to go all in with the idiocy if Hillary runs. They are really paving bettyellen May 2014 #165

While it does leave me a little behind in some DU conversations... Shandris May 2014 #167

That's exactly what it meant and that is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer. redqueen May 2014 #164

Yes, ad nauseum indeed. Shandris May 2014 #168

Speaking of entitlement.....look in the mirror. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #208

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Nobody was ever asking him to apologize for being white bluestateguy May 2014 #148

We can't say goodbye soon enough. nt. Jasana May 2014 #166

White Dude entitlement won't go away even if the Tuckers are silenced Supersedeas May 2014 #177

White privilege is real, common, and never more practiced randys1 May 2014 #178

But on the white right .. let's not try to make some equivalency here! YOHABLO May 2014 #192

Huh? All white people in America are privileged, right or left randys1 May 2014 #193

But we ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #221

Here let me finish your thought ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #220

lol HOW true randys1 May 2014 #243

Oops, used the wrong words ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #245

What is so sad about this DonCoquixote May 2014 #213

Excuse me, is this today's bash White people / bash men thread? Skip Intro May 2014 #222

No it's point out privilege day ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #226

I see. It isn't all White men we hate, just some. Guess we just use the broad labels Skip Intro May 2014 #227

Is "whiny white men" a broad label? cyberswede May 2014 #230

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #231

The "whiny white dudes" are stepping and fetching for Big Money. Orsino May 2014 #242

So are we supposed to hate white males? SaltyBro May 2014 #251

Why on earth would you leap to that conclusion? cyberswede May 2014 #252

So all white males are privileged? SaltyBro May 2014 #253

What are you talking about? cyberswede May 2014 #254

Maybe white males should have their voting privilege revoked SaltyBro May 2014 #255

Oh. I see you're not interested in a sincere conversation. cyberswede May 2014 #256

No. Only those who consider themselves superior by virtue of their skin color. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #263

The whiney white dudes are alive and well BainsBane May 2014 #271

There is nothing that shows a weakening grip at all. Katashi_itto May 2014 #272