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In reply to the discussion: Forbidden fruit that Adam and Eve ate possibly identified? Was it marijuana? [View all]RainDog
(28,784 posts)54. Michael Backes of Abatin Wellness Center says...
and I can only quote, not respond as someone with direct knowledge (but Backes is very involved with cannabis-based MS medicine and very science-based, not anecdote-based, in response to the doctor who has talked about juicing...
Courtney's claim that raw cannabis is not psychoactive is true, but only for pristine, fresh cannabis. Disturb the gland heads on a living cannabis plant of a strain that contains THC and the process of converting its non-psychoactive THCA to psychoactive THC begins, albeit slowly.
...if someone is not harvesting the cannabis fresh and consuming it immediately, then there is a risk of significant THC intoxication.
...if someone is not harvesting the cannabis fresh and consuming it immediately, then there is a risk of significant THC intoxication.
...so he says raw cannabis THC is not as available as when it's already been chemically activated by heat extraction, it seems.
beyond that, it's interesting that, upon heating, THCA decarboxylates to THC - if this is done by smoke, the effect is immediate. If this is done by cooking/ingestion, the effect takes up to an hour - and the intoxication is different because, in the liver, delta-9-tetrahydracannabinol is metabolized into 11-hydroxy-tetrahydracannabinol (a metabolite), while smoking converts THCA into delta-9 and acts directly on the nervous system without liver metabolization - tho, immediately after smoking, THC, too, begins conversion to 11-THC as a metabolites in the bloodstream - which is noticeable an hour after, just as eaten cannabis takes about an hour to take effect. 11-THC is further broken down to the non-psychoactive 11-COOH-THC - which is the metabolite that stays in the body for days or weeks as it is slowly excreted - and this is the metabolite that identifies marijuana use in urine tests.
11-COOH-THC also mediates the effects of THC itself - which is one possible explanation for differences in intoxication between heavy/long time users and those who use cannabis infrequently - iow - the reason people feel higher if they use less often is because their body does not contain the metabolite 11-COOH-THC to dampen the effect of THC itself. This slow release (and dampening effect) is also why THC does not act upon people in the way something like heroin does - physiologically, cannabis provides its own "weaning" - unlike drugs of addiction - while the psychological desire would have to do with the pleasure of the effect of THC, but not, again, from a physical impulse - but the psychological desire would have lesser returns with more use, so there's no reward for such desire through increased use - and, in fact, such reward would be thwarted by constant use.
(This may also explain why those who are heavier users of THC are better drivers than those who use cannabis infrequently.)
At low levels, 11-THC produces drowsiness/a good night's sleep. At high levels, 11-THC can produce hallucinations. It's more likely that eating would produce these high levels because people are more likely to eat larger doses because they can't titrate as accurately as they can with smoked cannabis.
As a metabolite - 11-COOH-THC continues some anti-inflammatory action in the body
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Forbidden fruit that Adam and Eve ate possibly identified? Was it marijuana? [View all]
ck4829
May 2014
OP
technically, it's "brussels sprouts". but perhaps in biblical times there was only one brussel.
unblock
May 2014
#10
they would have had to known how make a butter reduction to render the THC from the buds,
dionysus
May 2014
#4
really? i munched a few buds once and didnt notice anything. i thought you needed heat to render the
dionysus
May 2014
#8
i ate about a 2 bowls worth of dank, i didn't notice much, but the rice crispy treats i tried. OMFG!
dionysus
May 2014
#13
The active chemicals in both the dank you ate and the rice crispy treats was identical.
MohRokTah
May 2014
#15
Try it for yourself. Smoke a gram, eat a gram, make a gram into fat based cookies
Taitertots
May 2014
#29
No, precisely ZERO extraction from vegetative material has been done for you.
MohRokTah
May 2014
#40
In 1000 years they will find remains of the apple snow white bit into. n/t
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May 2014
#25
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#56
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#49
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