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SheilaT

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47. Well, climate change is real

Reply to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Sat May 17, 2014, 12:28 AM

May 2014

and is probably a factor in these fires. As is the drought. However, the current drought is nothing compared to what has happened in the past. I recently read A Great Aridness by William deBuys which points out that there have been droughts that lasted decades and longer in the southwest.

The huge number of people who live in Southern California are also a factor in that with so many people there are lots of homes and buildings of all sorts that can burn. Unfortunately. I know, we all have to live somewhere, and almost everywhere is subject to some sort of nasty natural phenomena: earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, blizzards, flooding. None of it is pretty.

It also seems as if at least some of these recent fires were deliberately set. It's scary enough that there is a fire season there, but to have fires set by people is beyond despicable.

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A question on climate change [View all] nadinbrzezinski May 2014 OP

It's indeed possible that climate change may have had an (indirect) effect on the wildfires......... AverageJoe90 May 2014 #1

Saw yesterday that Rubio's taking flak for his climate change denial, Benton D Struckcheon May 2014 #2

The more fires you show deniers, the more they double down on their obstinacy. immoderate May 2014 #3

Plus anything that hurts Californians is seen as good for them.... Swede Atlanta May 2014 #4

Winner winner chicken dinner rufus dog May 2014 #22

Nadin, I think that people by and large are still looking at these events from the in my back yard jwirr May 2014 #5

That'll start happening very soon. Benton D Struckcheon May 2014 #6

Yes, and I think it is already showing up in some foods. We are still getting most of the foods but jwirr May 2014 #7

Oh fully agree nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #9

Well said malaise May 2014 #59

Many in this country did not even know about the droughts in Australia because our MSM does not jwirr May 2014 #60

Trust me, I know nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #64

There may be a new El Ni�o pscot May 2014 #8

The advanced patterns... gave me flashbacks nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #34

Nine fires in one day in a definite pattern, and you call it global warming. Dreamer Tatum May 2014 #10

need a long term Niceguy1 May 2014 #42

Um, the fires happened because there were fire *conditions* villager May 2014 #52

Yes, I see it now. Scientists DID predict Dreamer Tatum May 2014 #57

In your world of bitter snark, perhaps the arsonists work on rainy days villager May 2014 #61

Belief without critical examination is better known as religion. Dreamer Tatum May 2014 #66

And you have absolute faith in your wrong-headedness and mean-spiritedness villager May 2014 #67

One city, one day, nine wildfires. Dreamer Tatum May 2014 #68

Absolutely made possible by the spreading of dry, droughty, fire-prone conditions villager May 2014 #69

No question that it was and is very very very very dry. Dreamer Tatum May 2014 #71

Of course. No one's saying the pattern doesn't indicate arson. But we've always had arson villager May 2014 #72

As long as money controls legislation we won't do very much as a nation on this issue Johonny May 2014 #11

Partially right nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #12

How does this point to climate change? rudolph the red May 2014 #13

You might want to read this nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #14

Ridiculous rudolph the red May 2014 #15

Translation, I got nothing and I am standing with THIS GUY nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #16

You are making shit up and blaming it on everyone else rudolph the red May 2014 #19

If you have no idea how Sept-Oct weather patterns in May nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #20

Does biggest drought in recorded history for California ring a bell? nt laundry_queen May 2014 #21

Let's be fair, last 500 years nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #26

So let me get straight... nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #36

Then why isn't LA on fire? Fresno? Palm Springs? Dreamer Tatum May 2014 #58

Let's exaggerate the consequences of wind energy and try to turn public opinion against it! kristopher May 2014 #17

Let's pick and choose science, as we see fit nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #18

are you just a fanatic? rudolph the red May 2014 #23

I suggest you educate yourself nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #24

Did climate change cause the arsonist? rudolph the red May 2014 #25

Again, winds, humidity, and rapid rate of spread nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #27

California has never had a drought before rudolph the red May 2014 #29

Well, they are *more freqeunt and severe* as well nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #31

Read (and understand a book) a freaking book rudolph the red May 2014 #33

Sigh. No, climate change produced the environment for large brush fires by possible arsonists. haele May 2014 #73

By the way, I am not exagerating by citing actual documentation nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #32

Got a few.. well, more than a few minutes to spare? Bigmack May 2014 #28

The Climate National Assestment was a depressive read nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #30

You may have read it, but you didn't comprehend anything. rudolph the red May 2014 #35

Says the one who keeps personally attacking me nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #37

show me the personal attack rudolph the red May 2014 #38

There are plenty sir nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #40

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For quoting science? nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #44

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Thank to some - edgineered May 2014 #39

I can't address San Diego, but my rural Northern California area totally gets it Brother Buzz May 2014 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author rudolph the red May 2014 #46

Well, climate change is real SheilaT May 2014 #47

The issue is not with deliberately set nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #50

Many Americans will never get it. laundry_queen May 2014 #48

Yeah, but your neighbors to the south nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #56

as long as supposedly intelligent u.s. senators call it the greatest hoax.... spanone May 2014 #49

Yup, because they have politiced science nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #51

kick, kick, kick..... daleanime May 2014 #53

Excellent thread. K&R Louisiana1976 May 2014 #55

I don't think Californians are the ones doing most of the denying. Jamastiene May 2014 #62

The denial is all over. nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #63

American's won't get it until the arctic sea ice is gone for a few years. joshcryer May 2014 #65

Space mirrors would buy us some time. Refreeze the Arctic. randome May 2014 #70

Nah, nothing that high tech. joshcryer May 2014 #74