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BainsBane

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68. This OP is an article from Daily Kos with no additional comment

Sat May 24, 2014, 05:43 PM

May 2014

The topic is a shooting carried out by a man who associated with groups designated by the Southern Poverty law Center as hate groups. You already expressed outrage that I didn't censor the news to protect your delicate sensibilities. Now you're upset that hate groups are exposed for what they are. Too bad. Perhaps you ought to find a new cause to champion? Or you could also talk about how we ought to respect the KKK and Neo-nazi groups because they are the equivalent of MRAs. Whether it is hatred of people of color or women, such organizations proliferate hate. I really don't care that you don't like their being exposed for what they are.

I'll take that double standard anytime. There is no reason hate groups require any respect.

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Mass Shooter influenced by the "Men's Rights Movement" [View all] BainsBane May 2014 OP

Sick shenmue May 2014 #1

What more do we need to conclude that MRAs are hate groups? BainsBane May 2014 #2

when the Southern Poverty Law Center declared them so... along with the white supremacists, hlthe2b May 2014 #14

Did you see the post BainsBane May 2014 #17

Oh my... hlthe2b May 2014 #38

Can you send me a link to that post? Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #42

This is the OP BainsBane May 2014 #44

Heh, I've had that one on ignore forever. Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #49

Ugh....those 2 are even worse than I thought....disgusting! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #88

Ah, I must be psychic! liberalhistorian May 2014 #209

I don't put anyone on ignore either, no matter how repulsive their behavior. Not only IrishAyes May 2014 #267

Holy shit what post was that MattBaggins May 2014 #200

And they were right. Damn right. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #26

That's not correct.. Upton May 2014 #82

The article continues BainsBane May 2014 #163

That's nice... Upton May 2014 #169

Here BainsBane May 2014 #184

Uh, huh.. Upton May 2014 #186

Misogyny BainsBane May 2014 #188

I see... Upton May 2014 #193

Knock off the crap BainsBane May 2014 #194

Wrong assumption.. Upton May 2014 #197

comadres is the correct word BainsBane May 2014 #202

You are clearly incorrect ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #221

Racists IN the KKK conduct lynchings BainsBane May 2014 #223

I trust that if the SPLC had meant to say all MRA groups hate women... ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #224

Good for you - give 'em hell. IrishAyes May 2014 #269

Just a group that engages in "threat, overt or implicit, of violence" towards women, says SPLC hlthe2b May 2014 #176

The SPLC labelled MRA groups as hate groups? /nt Marr May 2014 #183

Sick and lonely. 840high May 2014 #116

Oh, another "Nice Guy" who thinks women owe him something. Warpy May 2014 #3

So those of us in our 50's are "old men" eh? Thanks for the stereotyping... villager May 2014 #4

No, but some in that age bracket are older in their views of the world, BainsBane May 2014 #6

You are to people in their 20s and 30s Warpy May 2014 #7

And people in their 30s are old to teenagers... villager May 2014 #40

Hell, I remember when the dinosaurs died. Fuddnik May 2014 #117

Hey, I'm an almost-fifty liberalhistorian May 2014 #8

Someone on another brand new website kcr May 2014 #9

They are happy as clams over there BainsBane May 2014 #15

Sympathizing with the shooter kcr May 2014 #83

Are they really? BainsBane May 2014 #89

Yes, because women won't sleep with unattractive men kcr May 2014 #90

They don't mean "women" BainsBane May 2014 #94

Yep, he clearly major problems kcr May 2014 #100

Sad sad sad billhicks76 May 2014 #119

Nothing so far about bullying kcr May 2014 #128

Read his 'Manifesto' AgingAmerican May 2014 #274

Actually he was. This guy wrote a 150 some page life story. Mrdrboi May 2014 #146

I'm more disturbed by the sheer number of men who are empathizing, tbh kcr May 2014 #152

He had easy access to mental health services, though they are no guarantee. arcane1 May 2014 #155

So many problems kcr May 2014 #159

Sadly, it doesn't work that way :( arcane1 May 2014 #161

holy crap, from his earliest memories he was jealous and throwing tantrums bettyellen May 2014 #190

When he crashed a party drunk, picked fights and tried push women off a ledge he complained that bettyellen May 2014 #201

I don't think he said what you think he said Kaleva May 2014 #12

But you can be bitter in your 20s, as we learned today in Santa Barbara villager May 2014 #41

The second and third glance didn't seem much better either. eom. MyNameGoesHere May 2014 #48

it hasn't on this end, either villager May 2014 #52

Thank you Warpy May 2014 #127

McCarthyists told me in my youth that I should check under my bed every night for communists. IrishAyes May 2014 #270

Oh come on treestar May 2014 #33

I'm glad that being a "bitter old man in your 50s," is water off a duck's back to you villager May 2014 #56

I don't think you need to be so offended BainsBane May 2014 #59

Perhaps I don't need to be told what should offend me? villager May 2014 #60

Fair enough BainsBane May 2014 #62

And who are we to ever interfere with yours? villager May 2014 #63

You mean over mass shootings? BainsBane May 2014 #64

Actually, this thread is about your particular views on "the Men's Right Movement" villager May 2014 #66

This OP is an article from Daily Kos with no additional comment BainsBane May 2014 #68

So, "bitter single woman in her 30's" would be okay by you, if it was used in the "right" thread villager May 2014 #70

Oh, that BainsBane May 2014 #74

I'm not here defending MRAs. My point was about the exedient use of stereotypes villager May 2014 #76

Then what are you so upset about? No one was talking about you. kcr May 2014 #87

Everything in these discussions comes across as defending them villager May 2014 #93

Hmm. Don't think so. kcr May 2014 #97

well, you are certainly free to keep thinking of yourself as old! villager May 2014 #230

Clearly you are pretty sensitive about your age. Chemisse May 2014 #206

That's not how I read the post BainsBane May 2014 #91

Yes, white men in my age range are absolutely horrendous voters villager May 2014 #95

No, but don't you think it's a pretty fair assumption BainsBane May 2014 #110

Aha, but the "OP" in this subthread didn't say "regardless of age" villager May 2014 #130

Do you budge into every thread about racism and say, Not Me!!!!!!!! kcr May 2014 #134

Aha but we're back to the "you didn't qualify the statement with "some" Tsiyu May 2014 #262

Yes we do. Take a look in the mirror. IrishAyes May 2014 #272

Not defending but trying to derail the conversation intaglio May 2014 #250

"the real problem is that MRAs are being exposed for the hate groups they are. " IrishAyes May 2014 #271

Totally agree Katashi_itto May 2014 #198

Nope, this thread intaglio May 2014 #249

I think your constant posting on this is nothing short of hilarious Warpy May 2014 #131

I'd love to date a 50-something year old guy; BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #108

Just pointing out that the shooter thought he had a right to date certain females AngryAmish May 2014 #140

Be sure to let us know when a 50 year old woman goes postal, k? kcr May 2014 #149

sorry, AA, but that isn't at all what the post I replied to BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #166

If 50 is old then I must have passed on. 840high May 2014 #118

Isn't it interesting that a thread about a man who murdered women for not wanting him redqueen May 2014 #120

No; it was "bitter old men in their fifties." WinkyDink May 2014 #123

A distinction without a difference. nt redqueen May 2014 #129

Yes, the thin skinned dears will word jump anything Warpy May 2014 #136

But you should have said young, virile 50 year old men kcr May 2014 #138

Heh, even if it takes investing a fortune Warpy May 2014 #145

Typical BainsBane May 2014 #208

FYI - not all the victims were female. AZCat May 2014 #215

Men in their fifties are not "old men" (though they might be "bitter"), as you will one day learn. WinkyDink May 2014 #122

Gee, what a surprise, NOT! liberalhistorian May 2014 #5

If it's making you sick, I'll pick up the torch for you... Rozlee May 2014 #96

Cruelty Knows No Gender billhicks76 May 2014 #125

I watched that Video and he is a prick! dem in texas May 2014 #10

I watched it too and it seemed like he was trying to act - his laugh was like an imitation laugh. seaglass May 2014 #29

He was like a BAD ACTOR yuiyoshida May 2014 #39

Well the white guy angle failed AnalystInParadise May 2014 #11

You mean Rodger didn't consult you before going on a mass shooting? BainsBane May 2014 #13

Who is an angry white guy? AnalystInParadise May 2014 #16

this shooter appears to be the epitome of the entitled and angry white guy to me. bettyellen May 2014 #22

He is mixed race hack89 May 2014 #43

yes, his reminiscence of childhood is that everyone is happy and no one has advantages.... bettyellen May 2014 #45

Agreed on the prick part AnalystInParadise May 2014 #81

he self identified as "white" and complained when an "Indian man" with an old Honda had the nerve to bettyellen May 2014 #162

Cept he isn't a white guy AgingAmerican May 2014 #275

he identifies himself as white, and wrote many bigoted things about darker skinned people bettyellen May 2014 #276

So does Alan West AgingAmerican May 2014 #279

you don't think he has a right to self identify as white? is this the % of blood rule or something bettyellen May 2014 #280

I saw people defend the mom who shot her 3 kids because.... Logical May 2014 #18

Obviously they are both mentally ill, and both very cruel people who acted with intent. bettyellen May 2014 #51

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #86

I'd be careful about using the word "defend." Trying to parse someone's motive isn't the same thing nomorenomore08 May 2014 #92

Some are BainsBane May 2014 #225

It's now being reported Rodgers had some mental issues... DonViejo May 2014 #19

This is the third....maybe fourth...time De Leonist May 2014 #47

I agree it's a shame, how this contributes to the stigma against those with "differences" nomorenomore08 May 2014 #98

It's not wrong either to consider it as one. De Leonist May 2014 #148

Well, then, how about let's not consider it as one? kcr May 2014 #154

Very true. It does present its own highly variable set of challenges. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #165

It's very difficult to commit a person for therapy against their will. MADem May 2014 #102

I wasn't trying to be dismissive or simplistic De Leonist May 2014 #174

Some people on the spectrum are sweet as pie, too, engaged in a particular MADem May 2014 #178

Point taken however..... De Leonist May 2014 #273

Not all socialization is "deliberate" or "taught." MADem May 2014 #277

Thanks. 840high May 2014 #121

After watching several of his youtube videos now, stranger81 May 2014 #20

Yes, very likely someone with strong sociopathic/psychopathic traits. Nothing to do with autism. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #101

Nope, but of course, that won't stop many people. Ugh. n/t kcr May 2014 #157

well, it is possible shanti May 2014 #182

Sure. But antisocial personality disorder seems a far more likely factor than Asperger's. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #185

Since when does "the perfect gentleman" shoot women? nt TeamPooka May 2014 #21

I'm sure that you and I both agree that......such a gentleman DOES NOT. EVER. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #28

What the f*ck? 951-Riverside May 2014 #23

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #24

Maybe so. But it doesn't dent the validity of the article, though, regardless of her intentions. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #27

This post, I agree with 100%. The "movement" is built on resentment and fear of an entire gender. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #103

What I find astounding is the hidden poster's assumption BainsBane May 2014 #137

The exaggerated persecution complex some people have is astonishing. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #141

BainsBane is not who wrote the OP for Kos n/t arcane1 May 2014 #31

But I commited the crime BainsBane May 2014 #35

Actually most MRAs are young, under 30 BainsBane May 2014 #32

"...but has gone far beyond that into a full-fledged hate movement." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #105

There is no correlation. OP has an agenda. MRAs aren't the nicest bunch, but this is Katashi_itto May 2014 #234

It's an article from Daily Kos BainsBane May 2014 #235

Yours is the interesting agenda. Especially when it's been pointed out repeatedly it's false. Katashi_itto May 2014 #236

NBC news shares the same agenda BainsBane May 2014 #237

His hatred of women is obvious. Dissembling as usual. Katashi_itto May 2014 #238

No. The agenda is yours BainsBane May 2014 #239

Lol, telling me what my are motives now. You've been cited repeatedly that the MRA is not a hate Katashi_itto May 2014 #240

Five pages of articles BainsBane May 2014 #241

You just like making things up don't you? Now according to you I am censoring stuff. Katashi_itto May 2014 #242

You, again, are trying to derail the conversation intaglio May 2014 #251

It's funny that when an MRA afficianado goes out and in cold blood murders people Tsiyu May 2014 #263

Lol! Just making it up as you go :) Katashi_itto May 2014 #264

Sorry, your own words are the tell here Tsiyu May 2014 #266

*Sigh*. I was afraid something like this would happen one of these days. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #25

+a whole fucking lot nomorenomore08 May 2014 #106

Me too. bravenak May 2014 #278

I suppose so. =) AverageJoe90 May 2014 #281

He seems to be talking shit about MRA's, not praising them NickB79 May 2014 #30

If you read the article BainsBane May 2014 #34

if I am understanding correctly Yes, HE accepted them but THEY rejected him. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #213

"today at my college I saw this short, ugly Indian guy driving a Honda civic" arcane1 May 2014 #36

He complained about other men being 'brutes', but he sounds like a bully himself. Ash_F May 2014 #216

In his demented mind that made sense. Yes. Sounds crazy to the rational person but, insane people Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #37

He imagines those other guys are brutes, because of course, a woman can't be happier w/ someone else bettyellen May 2014 #57

He was a member of an anti-PUA site intaglio May 2014 #245

OK. He's MRA.... and Valerie Solanas was a feminist... what's your point? davidn3600 May 2014 #256

Valerie Solanas - 1 targeted assassination and founder of her own fantasy intaglio May 2014 #257

Had to reach back half a century for that one. BainsBane May 2014 #258

Well, for one thing..the girls turning him down saw something that proved to be evil. nt kelliekat44 May 2014 #46

Yep. The psycho-killer vibe BainsBane May 2014 #55

What does being a pickup artist have to do with men's rights? TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #50

The PUA groups are affiliated with Men's Rights Groups BainsBane May 2014 #53

Woah... sweeping generalizations are exactly the murders issue. TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #69

Nor does neo-Nazi ideology BainsBane May 2014 #71

Ok, so now we have three declarative statements to confirm. TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #75

SPLC BainsBane May 2014 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author Upton May 2014 #99

Maybe I should have been more specific. TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #164

Three uses of the word "emotional" as a pejorative while arguing with a feminist YoungDemCA May 2014 #170

Yes! + 1000. Thank you. nt Laffy Kat May 2014 #211

emotional= laughing at his bullshit bettyellen May 2014 #231

Why are you defending *any* of these groups? YoungDemCA May 2014 #135

You are mistaken... TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #167

You seem awfully defensive re: the MRA issue YoungDemCA May 2014 #171

Your again mistaken... TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #173

Anytime someone is as opaque as you are about their positions on an issue BainsBane May 2014 #196

I see how it works. TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #204

That hate groups like MRAs and Neo-Nazis are bad? BainsBane May 2014 #212

No. Those would be a red herrings... TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #218

That's not how you started this subthread BainsBane May 2014 #222

Why do we think you are defending MRAs? intaglio May 2014 #246

It's not just you BainsBane May 2014 #255

On account of they all have penises. See? QED. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #214

You know who else have penises? BainsBane May 2014 #217

there is a lot of cross over in the groups- both pretty much hate women and blame them for their own bettyellen May 2014 #54

That's the funny thing YoungDemCA May 2014 #144

yes, it goes with objecification because they long for the days when we were property bettyellen May 2014 #160

Couple of questions on this post. TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #181

his manifesto says he learned this from his peers- he was desperate to be a "cool" kid and tried to bettyellen May 2014 #195

Youll have to produce real information. TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #203

LOL, you seem to have me confused with your manservant. LOL. And I guess you are right- if you only bettyellen May 2014 #205

Which statements are incorrect? TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #219

the one where you imagine that this PUA shit is normal. or all "deceptions" equal. YAWN. bettyellen May 2014 #229

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #244

Good post Harmony Blue May 2014 #179

There are designated hate groups ismnotwasm May 2014 #58

The Red Pill Reddit ought to be up there BainsBane May 2014 #61

Yup ismnotwasm May 2014 #189

I think the only one of those I've heard of is Reddit... AZCat May 2014 #220

The worst part of it is their ideas are spreading BainsBane May 2014 #243

k&r Little Star May 2014 #65

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #67

So you do not believe that society should adress it's ills when confronted by them? etherealtruth May 2014 #72

I bet it takes less than an hour. bravenak May 2014 #79

Do we know he was influenced by MRAs Prophet 451 May 2014 #73

Yes, the article demonstrates his affiliation with those groups BainsBane May 2014 #78

He mentions them in his screed too. See pages 117/118: arcane1 May 2014 #199

Right, I think the problems here are mental illness, uncontrollable hatred, IronLionZion May 2014 #77

One thing to note dsc May 2014 #80

There is but one person responsible for this inexcusable killing spree seveneyes May 2014 #84

he was blaming feminists for giving women choices who to have sex with: bettyellen May 2014 #107

If women are "allowed to choose who to breed with, humanity will never advance" BainsBane May 2014 #115

Somebody gave him a gun, or was careless enough to let him steal it. (nt) stone space May 2014 #151

Yeah. Don't know why women weren't throwing themselves at that loser... Aristus May 2014 #104

How the fuck does a guy work himself up to this kind of wholesale destruction? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #109

Turns out daddy is a Hollywood director BainsBane May 2014 #112

Sheltered upbringing + obvious psychological problems + "MRA" sense of victimization. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #132

I dare not look DonCoquixote May 2014 #111

Someone told me they are BainsBane May 2014 #114

Only blondes? PADemD May 2014 #113

He liked blondes. Everybody has preferences. WinkyDink May 2014 #126

So sad. dawg May 2014 #124

What an arrogant, entitled POS little creep. nt raccoon May 2014 #133

Careful. You might hurt the delicate sensibilities of the REAL MEN YoungDemCA May 2014 #139

Never heard of smallcat88 May 2014 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author smallcat88 May 2014 #156

We live in a society where predators are rewarded and victims are punished YoungDemCA May 2014 #172

Something is odd... Helen Borg May 2014 #143

It is odd BainsBane May 2014 #147

Yes smallcat88 May 2014 #158

Bottom line: He's a POS for blaming all "girls" for his not being able Raine1967 May 2014 #150

This. Just this. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #180

I always enjoy reading your post... one_voice May 2014 #210

What a degenerate, delusional idiot. caseymoz May 2014 #153

This guy seems almost like a parody. Ash_F May 2014 #168

Sometimes a loon is just a loon davidn3600 May 2014 #175

You would have information if you actually bothered to read the article BainsBane May 2014 #177

This author of the article is more concerned about their own agenda than the truth davidn3600 May 2014 #187

MRA ideology is based on hatred BainsBane May 2014 #191

I'd think that also accurately applies to posters who subtly attempt to minimize, or even deny the e LanternWaste May 2014 #282

The shooter linked himself to those groups intaglio May 2014 #247

some insist on ignoring BainsBane May 2014 #248

He could've got a girl friend standingtall May 2014 #192

In listening... sendero May 2014 #254

"The supreme gentleman" wouldn't kill seven people. DemocraticWing May 2014 #207

I read the guys manifesto, watched the videos. Wonder what went wrong with this guy. stevenleser May 2014 #226

To clarify BainsBane May 2014 #227

Edited. stevenleser May 2014 #228

I dont really think women had much to do with his problems davidn3600 May 2014 #232

There is a difference between reality and perception BainsBane May 2014 #233

It was probably a combination of all of those. octoberlib May 2014 #261

Women wouldn't have sex with him because he is a psychopath My Good Babushka May 2014 #252

no doubt BainsBane May 2014 #253

what I want to know is, why are we raising young men with such a misplaced sense of entitlement? redruddyred May 2014 #260

refrigerator mothers, 2.0? I think not MisterP May 2014 #268

yowch good point. redruddyred May 2014 #283

K&R Jamastiene May 2014 #259

Yes, ALL women were wrong, he is right - now we get it, dude. maced666 May 2014 #265