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stevenleser

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226. I read the guys manifesto, watched the videos. Wonder what went wrong with this guy.

Sun May 25, 2014, 01:18 AM

May 2014

I haven't ruled anything in or out yet. Cali suggests he was a simple sociopath/psychopath, he might have been. The article you posted suggested it had something to do with the MRA movement and it might have. I'm going to digest it a bit.

At some point, fairly typical angst and fear of not fitting in and awkwardness dealing with members of the opposite sex that I think 99% of people have in middle school and high school took a really dark turn.

It's as if the ability to be a socialized adult that at first slowly manifests itself and then completes in kids from ages 12-18 never materialized in this person and he became more and more angry and began to hate everyone and everything for it and focused his attention on women in particular because he desperately wanted a girlfriend and felt women rejected him and perhaps because of influence of the MRM movement. Of course people of all sexes and orientations tend to reject people as mates who are completely socially inept.

I do think our society does poorly at reaching out to those who feel alienated. I wonder with guys like this and the Virginia Tech shooter, etc., if there was a way they could have been reached/saved. I find it very sad all around.

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Mass Shooter influenced by the "Men's Rights Movement" [View all] BainsBane May 2014 OP

Sick shenmue May 2014 #1

What more do we need to conclude that MRAs are hate groups? BainsBane May 2014 #2

when the Southern Poverty Law Center declared them so... along with the white supremacists, hlthe2b May 2014 #14

Did you see the post BainsBane May 2014 #17

Oh my... hlthe2b May 2014 #38

Can you send me a link to that post? Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #42

This is the OP BainsBane May 2014 #44

Heh, I've had that one on ignore forever. Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #49

Ugh....those 2 are even worse than I thought....disgusting! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #88

Ah, I must be psychic! liberalhistorian May 2014 #209

I don't put anyone on ignore either, no matter how repulsive their behavior. Not only IrishAyes May 2014 #267

Holy shit what post was that MattBaggins May 2014 #200

And they were right. Damn right. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #26

That's not correct.. Upton May 2014 #82

The article continues BainsBane May 2014 #163

That's nice... Upton May 2014 #169

Here BainsBane May 2014 #184

Uh, huh.. Upton May 2014 #186

Misogyny BainsBane May 2014 #188

I see... Upton May 2014 #193

Knock off the crap BainsBane May 2014 #194

Wrong assumption.. Upton May 2014 #197

comadres is the correct word BainsBane May 2014 #202

You are clearly incorrect ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #221

Racists IN the KKK conduct lynchings BainsBane May 2014 #223

I trust that if the SPLC had meant to say all MRA groups hate women... ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #224

Good for you - give 'em hell. IrishAyes May 2014 #269

Just a group that engages in "threat, overt or implicit, of violence" towards women, says SPLC hlthe2b May 2014 #176

The SPLC labelled MRA groups as hate groups? /nt Marr May 2014 #183

Sick and lonely. 840high May 2014 #116

Oh, another "Nice Guy" who thinks women owe him something. Warpy May 2014 #3

So those of us in our 50's are "old men" eh? Thanks for the stereotyping... villager May 2014 #4

No, but some in that age bracket are older in their views of the world, BainsBane May 2014 #6

You are to people in their 20s and 30s Warpy May 2014 #7

And people in their 30s are old to teenagers... villager May 2014 #40

Hell, I remember when the dinosaurs died. Fuddnik May 2014 #117

Hey, I'm an almost-fifty liberalhistorian May 2014 #8

Someone on another brand new website kcr May 2014 #9

They are happy as clams over there BainsBane May 2014 #15

Sympathizing with the shooter kcr May 2014 #83

Are they really? BainsBane May 2014 #89

Yes, because women won't sleep with unattractive men kcr May 2014 #90

They don't mean "women" BainsBane May 2014 #94

Yep, he clearly major problems kcr May 2014 #100

Sad sad sad billhicks76 May 2014 #119

Nothing so far about bullying kcr May 2014 #128

Read his 'Manifesto' AgingAmerican May 2014 #274

Actually he was. This guy wrote a 150 some page life story. Mrdrboi May 2014 #146

I'm more disturbed by the sheer number of men who are empathizing, tbh kcr May 2014 #152

He had easy access to mental health services, though they are no guarantee. arcane1 May 2014 #155

So many problems kcr May 2014 #159

Sadly, it doesn't work that way :( arcane1 May 2014 #161

holy crap, from his earliest memories he was jealous and throwing tantrums bettyellen May 2014 #190

When he crashed a party drunk, picked fights and tried push women off a ledge he complained that bettyellen May 2014 #201

I don't think he said what you think he said Kaleva May 2014 #12

But you can be bitter in your 20s, as we learned today in Santa Barbara villager May 2014 #41

The second and third glance didn't seem much better either. eom. MyNameGoesHere May 2014 #48

it hasn't on this end, either villager May 2014 #52

Thank you Warpy May 2014 #127

McCarthyists told me in my youth that I should check under my bed every night for communists. IrishAyes May 2014 #270

Oh come on treestar May 2014 #33

I'm glad that being a "bitter old man in your 50s," is water off a duck's back to you villager May 2014 #56

I don't think you need to be so offended BainsBane May 2014 #59

Perhaps I don't need to be told what should offend me? villager May 2014 #60

Fair enough BainsBane May 2014 #62

And who are we to ever interfere with yours? villager May 2014 #63

You mean over mass shootings? BainsBane May 2014 #64

Actually, this thread is about your particular views on "the Men's Right Movement" villager May 2014 #66

This OP is an article from Daily Kos with no additional comment BainsBane May 2014 #68

So, "bitter single woman in her 30's" would be okay by you, if it was used in the "right" thread villager May 2014 #70

Oh, that BainsBane May 2014 #74

I'm not here defending MRAs. My point was about the exedient use of stereotypes villager May 2014 #76

Then what are you so upset about? No one was talking about you. kcr May 2014 #87

Everything in these discussions comes across as defending them villager May 2014 #93

Hmm. Don't think so. kcr May 2014 #97

well, you are certainly free to keep thinking of yourself as old! villager May 2014 #230

Clearly you are pretty sensitive about your age. Chemisse May 2014 #206

That's not how I read the post BainsBane May 2014 #91

Yes, white men in my age range are absolutely horrendous voters villager May 2014 #95

No, but don't you think it's a pretty fair assumption BainsBane May 2014 #110

Aha, but the "OP" in this subthread didn't say "regardless of age" villager May 2014 #130

Do you budge into every thread about racism and say, Not Me!!!!!!!! kcr May 2014 #134

Aha but we're back to the "you didn't qualify the statement with "some" Tsiyu May 2014 #262

Yes we do. Take a look in the mirror. IrishAyes May 2014 #272

Not defending but trying to derail the conversation intaglio May 2014 #250

"the real problem is that MRAs are being exposed for the hate groups they are. " IrishAyes May 2014 #271

Totally agree Katashi_itto May 2014 #198

Nope, this thread intaglio May 2014 #249

I think your constant posting on this is nothing short of hilarious Warpy May 2014 #131

I'd love to date a 50-something year old guy; BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #108

Just pointing out that the shooter thought he had a right to date certain females AngryAmish May 2014 #140

Be sure to let us know when a 50 year old woman goes postal, k? kcr May 2014 #149

sorry, AA, but that isn't at all what the post I replied to BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #166

If 50 is old then I must have passed on. 840high May 2014 #118

Isn't it interesting that a thread about a man who murdered women for not wanting him redqueen May 2014 #120

No; it was "bitter old men in their fifties." WinkyDink May 2014 #123

A distinction without a difference. nt redqueen May 2014 #129

Yes, the thin skinned dears will word jump anything Warpy May 2014 #136

But you should have said young, virile 50 year old men kcr May 2014 #138

Heh, even if it takes investing a fortune Warpy May 2014 #145

Typical BainsBane May 2014 #208

FYI - not all the victims were female. AZCat May 2014 #215

Men in their fifties are not "old men" (though they might be "bitter"), as you will one day learn. WinkyDink May 2014 #122

Gee, what a surprise, NOT! liberalhistorian May 2014 #5

If it's making you sick, I'll pick up the torch for you... Rozlee May 2014 #96

Cruelty Knows No Gender billhicks76 May 2014 #125

I watched that Video and he is a prick! dem in texas May 2014 #10

I watched it too and it seemed like he was trying to act - his laugh was like an imitation laugh. seaglass May 2014 #29

He was like a BAD ACTOR yuiyoshida May 2014 #39

Well the white guy angle failed AnalystInParadise May 2014 #11

You mean Rodger didn't consult you before going on a mass shooting? BainsBane May 2014 #13

Who is an angry white guy? AnalystInParadise May 2014 #16

this shooter appears to be the epitome of the entitled and angry white guy to me. bettyellen May 2014 #22

He is mixed race hack89 May 2014 #43

yes, his reminiscence of childhood is that everyone is happy and no one has advantages.... bettyellen May 2014 #45

Agreed on the prick part AnalystInParadise May 2014 #81

he self identified as "white" and complained when an "Indian man" with an old Honda had the nerve to bettyellen May 2014 #162

Cept he isn't a white guy AgingAmerican May 2014 #275

he identifies himself as white, and wrote many bigoted things about darker skinned people bettyellen May 2014 #276

So does Alan West AgingAmerican May 2014 #279

you don't think he has a right to self identify as white? is this the % of blood rule or something bettyellen May 2014 #280

I saw people defend the mom who shot her 3 kids because.... Logical May 2014 #18

Obviously they are both mentally ill, and both very cruel people who acted with intent. bettyellen May 2014 #51

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #86

I'd be careful about using the word "defend." Trying to parse someone's motive isn't the same thing nomorenomore08 May 2014 #92

Some are BainsBane May 2014 #225

It's now being reported Rodgers had some mental issues... DonViejo May 2014 #19

This is the third....maybe fourth...time De Leonist May 2014 #47

I agree it's a shame, how this contributes to the stigma against those with "differences" nomorenomore08 May 2014 #98

It's not wrong either to consider it as one. De Leonist May 2014 #148

Well, then, how about let's not consider it as one? kcr May 2014 #154

Very true. It does present its own highly variable set of challenges. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #165

It's very difficult to commit a person for therapy against their will. MADem May 2014 #102

I wasn't trying to be dismissive or simplistic De Leonist May 2014 #174

Some people on the spectrum are sweet as pie, too, engaged in a particular MADem May 2014 #178

Point taken however..... De Leonist May 2014 #273

Not all socialization is "deliberate" or "taught." MADem May 2014 #277

Thanks. 840high May 2014 #121

After watching several of his youtube videos now, stranger81 May 2014 #20

Yes, very likely someone with strong sociopathic/psychopathic traits. Nothing to do with autism. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #101

Nope, but of course, that won't stop many people. Ugh. n/t kcr May 2014 #157

well, it is possible shanti May 2014 #182

Sure. But antisocial personality disorder seems a far more likely factor than Asperger's. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #185

Since when does "the perfect gentleman" shoot women? nt TeamPooka May 2014 #21

I'm sure that you and I both agree that......such a gentleman DOES NOT. EVER. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #28

What the f*ck? 951-Riverside May 2014 #23

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #24

Maybe so. But it doesn't dent the validity of the article, though, regardless of her intentions. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #27

This post, I agree with 100%. The "movement" is built on resentment and fear of an entire gender. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #103

What I find astounding is the hidden poster's assumption BainsBane May 2014 #137

The exaggerated persecution complex some people have is astonishing. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #141

BainsBane is not who wrote the OP for Kos n/t arcane1 May 2014 #31

But I commited the crime BainsBane May 2014 #35

Actually most MRAs are young, under 30 BainsBane May 2014 #32

"...but has gone far beyond that into a full-fledged hate movement." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #105

There is no correlation. OP has an agenda. MRAs aren't the nicest bunch, but this is Katashi_itto May 2014 #234

It's an article from Daily Kos BainsBane May 2014 #235

Yours is the interesting agenda. Especially when it's been pointed out repeatedly it's false. Katashi_itto May 2014 #236

NBC news shares the same agenda BainsBane May 2014 #237

His hatred of women is obvious. Dissembling as usual. Katashi_itto May 2014 #238

No. The agenda is yours BainsBane May 2014 #239

Lol, telling me what my are motives now. You've been cited repeatedly that the MRA is not a hate Katashi_itto May 2014 #240

Five pages of articles BainsBane May 2014 #241

You just like making things up don't you? Now according to you I am censoring stuff. Katashi_itto May 2014 #242

You, again, are trying to derail the conversation intaglio May 2014 #251

It's funny that when an MRA afficianado goes out and in cold blood murders people Tsiyu May 2014 #263

Lol! Just making it up as you go :) Katashi_itto May 2014 #264

Sorry, your own words are the tell here Tsiyu May 2014 #266

*Sigh*. I was afraid something like this would happen one of these days. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #25

+a whole fucking lot nomorenomore08 May 2014 #106

Me too. bravenak May 2014 #278

I suppose so. =) AverageJoe90 May 2014 #281

He seems to be talking shit about MRA's, not praising them NickB79 May 2014 #30

If you read the article BainsBane May 2014 #34

if I am understanding correctly Yes, HE accepted them but THEY rejected him. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #213

"today at my college I saw this short, ugly Indian guy driving a Honda civic" arcane1 May 2014 #36

He complained about other men being 'brutes', but he sounds like a bully himself. Ash_F May 2014 #216

In his demented mind that made sense. Yes. Sounds crazy to the rational person but, insane people Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #37

He imagines those other guys are brutes, because of course, a woman can't be happier w/ someone else bettyellen May 2014 #57

He was a member of an anti-PUA site intaglio May 2014 #245

OK. He's MRA.... and Valerie Solanas was a feminist... what's your point? davidn3600 May 2014 #256

Valerie Solanas - 1 targeted assassination and founder of her own fantasy intaglio May 2014 #257

Had to reach back half a century for that one. BainsBane May 2014 #258

Well, for one thing..the girls turning him down saw something that proved to be evil. nt kelliekat44 May 2014 #46

Yep. The psycho-killer vibe BainsBane May 2014 #55

What does being a pickup artist have to do with men's rights? TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #50

The PUA groups are affiliated with Men's Rights Groups BainsBane May 2014 #53

Woah... sweeping generalizations are exactly the murders issue. TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #69

Nor does neo-Nazi ideology BainsBane May 2014 #71

Ok, so now we have three declarative statements to confirm. TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #75

SPLC BainsBane May 2014 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author Upton May 2014 #99

Maybe I should have been more specific. TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #164

Three uses of the word "emotional" as a pejorative while arguing with a feminist YoungDemCA May 2014 #170

Yes! + 1000. Thank you. nt Laffy Kat May 2014 #211

emotional= laughing at his bullshit bettyellen May 2014 #231

Why are you defending *any* of these groups? YoungDemCA May 2014 #135

You are mistaken... TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #167

You seem awfully defensive re: the MRA issue YoungDemCA May 2014 #171

Your again mistaken... TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #173

Anytime someone is as opaque as you are about their positions on an issue BainsBane May 2014 #196

I see how it works. TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #204

That hate groups like MRAs and Neo-Nazis are bad? BainsBane May 2014 #212

No. Those would be a red herrings... TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #218

That's not how you started this subthread BainsBane May 2014 #222

Why do we think you are defending MRAs? intaglio May 2014 #246

It's not just you BainsBane May 2014 #255

On account of they all have penises. See? QED. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #214

You know who else have penises? BainsBane May 2014 #217

there is a lot of cross over in the groups- both pretty much hate women and blame them for their own bettyellen May 2014 #54

That's the funny thing YoungDemCA May 2014 #144

yes, it goes with objecification because they long for the days when we were property bettyellen May 2014 #160

Couple of questions on this post. TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #181

his manifesto says he learned this from his peers- he was desperate to be a "cool" kid and tried to bettyellen May 2014 #195

Youll have to produce real information. TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #203

LOL, you seem to have me confused with your manservant. LOL. And I guess you are right- if you only bettyellen May 2014 #205

Which statements are incorrect? TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #219

the one where you imagine that this PUA shit is normal. or all "deceptions" equal. YAWN. bettyellen May 2014 #229

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #244

Good post Harmony Blue May 2014 #179

There are designated hate groups ismnotwasm May 2014 #58

The Red Pill Reddit ought to be up there BainsBane May 2014 #61

Yup ismnotwasm May 2014 #189

I think the only one of those I've heard of is Reddit... AZCat May 2014 #220

The worst part of it is their ideas are spreading BainsBane May 2014 #243

k&r Little Star May 2014 #65

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #67

So you do not believe that society should adress it's ills when confronted by them? etherealtruth May 2014 #72

I bet it takes less than an hour. bravenak May 2014 #79

Do we know he was influenced by MRAs Prophet 451 May 2014 #73

Yes, the article demonstrates his affiliation with those groups BainsBane May 2014 #78

He mentions them in his screed too. See pages 117/118: arcane1 May 2014 #199

Right, I think the problems here are mental illness, uncontrollable hatred, IronLionZion May 2014 #77

One thing to note dsc May 2014 #80

There is but one person responsible for this inexcusable killing spree seveneyes May 2014 #84

he was blaming feminists for giving women choices who to have sex with: bettyellen May 2014 #107

If women are "allowed to choose who to breed with, humanity will never advance" BainsBane May 2014 #115

Somebody gave him a gun, or was careless enough to let him steal it. (nt) stone space May 2014 #151

Yeah. Don't know why women weren't throwing themselves at that loser... Aristus May 2014 #104

How the fuck does a guy work himself up to this kind of wholesale destruction? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #109

Turns out daddy is a Hollywood director BainsBane May 2014 #112

Sheltered upbringing + obvious psychological problems + "MRA" sense of victimization. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #132

I dare not look DonCoquixote May 2014 #111

Someone told me they are BainsBane May 2014 #114

Only blondes? PADemD May 2014 #113

He liked blondes. Everybody has preferences. WinkyDink May 2014 #126

So sad. dawg May 2014 #124

What an arrogant, entitled POS little creep. nt raccoon May 2014 #133

Careful. You might hurt the delicate sensibilities of the REAL MEN YoungDemCA May 2014 #139

Never heard of smallcat88 May 2014 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author smallcat88 May 2014 #156

We live in a society where predators are rewarded and victims are punished YoungDemCA May 2014 #172

Something is odd... Helen Borg May 2014 #143

It is odd BainsBane May 2014 #147

Yes smallcat88 May 2014 #158

Bottom line: He's a POS for blaming all "girls" for his not being able Raine1967 May 2014 #150

This. Just this. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #180

I always enjoy reading your post... one_voice May 2014 #210

What a degenerate, delusional idiot. caseymoz May 2014 #153

This guy seems almost like a parody. Ash_F May 2014 #168

Sometimes a loon is just a loon davidn3600 May 2014 #175

You would have information if you actually bothered to read the article BainsBane May 2014 #177

This author of the article is more concerned about their own agenda than the truth davidn3600 May 2014 #187

MRA ideology is based on hatred BainsBane May 2014 #191

I'd think that also accurately applies to posters who subtly attempt to minimize, or even deny the e LanternWaste May 2014 #282

The shooter linked himself to those groups intaglio May 2014 #247

some insist on ignoring BainsBane May 2014 #248

He could've got a girl friend standingtall May 2014 #192

In listening... sendero May 2014 #254

"The supreme gentleman" wouldn't kill seven people. DemocraticWing May 2014 #207

I read the guys manifesto, watched the videos. Wonder what went wrong with this guy. stevenleser May 2014 #226

To clarify BainsBane May 2014 #227

Edited. stevenleser May 2014 #228

I dont really think women had much to do with his problems davidn3600 May 2014 #232

There is a difference between reality and perception BainsBane May 2014 #233

It was probably a combination of all of those. octoberlib May 2014 #261

Women wouldn't have sex with him because he is a psychopath My Good Babushka May 2014 #252

no doubt BainsBane May 2014 #253

what I want to know is, why are we raising young men with such a misplaced sense of entitlement? redruddyred May 2014 #260

refrigerator mothers, 2.0? I think not MisterP May 2014 #268

yowch good point. redruddyred May 2014 #283

K&R Jamastiene May 2014 #259

Yes, ALL women were wrong, he is right - now we get it, dude. maced666 May 2014 #265