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jwirr

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46. And in typical human fashion once the institutions start making money off of their inmates the

Sun May 25, 2014, 03:33 PM

May 2014

definition of mental illness will expand and once in they will not be released. That is a good description of what happened in the past. One good change today is that they must be given a chance to defend their situation against their accusers. Back when it only took 10 untrained persons to commit a person. Husbands did this to unwanted wives all the time. 10 friends and he was free.

I agree that something has to be done but we need to be aware of the past.

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We need to have a discussion about a difficult topic: What to do with the mentally ill [View all] JJChambers May 2014 OP

It is a conversation society needs to have. Agschmid May 2014 #1

We first have to recognize who is mentally ill and who is not. Does weird behavior alone make one kelliekat44 May 2014 #75

Nope the definition alone is somewhat hard to understand... Agschmid May 2014 #76

Well mental illness doesn't cause violence phil89 May 2014 #2

When a mentally ill person is exhibiting signs of homicidal rage or intentions.. JJChambers May 2014 #4

Yeah because that's worked well in the past. karadax May 2014 #26

And in typical human fashion once the institutions start making money off of their inmates the jwirr May 2014 #46

So your belief is that the mental illness causes the person phil89 May 2014 #45

Why not do the same with sane people who are exhibiting signs of homicidal rage or Jamastiene May 2014 #77

+1 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #90

Step one: do something about the deluge of guns. nt. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #3

No, that isn't a step. JJChambers May 2014 #5

Thanks for the NRA talking point that is easily disproved... joeybee12 May 2014 #40

I agree with that poster. dead is dead. It is a nuanced and complicated problem Mojorabbit May 2014 #108

Guns are a different issue davidn3600 May 2014 #28

The primary problem with mass shootings is guns. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #62

And the gun problem can be dealt with independently davidn3600 May 2014 #71

Not if we get deliberately distracted by peripheral issues. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #82

No one is disputing that davidn3600 May 2014 #86

The primary problem creating killings of all kinds Jackpine Radical May 2014 #88

Getting rid of mentally ill people is not going to get rid of gun violence. Jamastiene May 2014 #79

The focus on mental illness as a problem... Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #6

Really? So the availability of guns has exactly what to do with the stabbing spree he went on? JJChambers May 2014 #7

It's also pretty clearly a gun issue. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #8

What do they all have in common? Mental illness JJChambers May 2014 #10

And easily obtained guns. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #15

So the problem is with guns JJChambers May 2014 #17

If he hadn't engaged in a drive-by shooting? You might have some sort of point. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #20

If he hadn't stabbed three people to death? You might have some sort of point. JJChambers May 2014 #32

You're really funny. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #35

What is homicidal mental illness? phil89 May 2014 #19

Mental illness is a very common scapegoat. Neoma May 2014 #48

Well said. Louisiana1976 May 2014 #59

+2 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #92

In this case the intent is to stigmatize etherealtruth May 2014 #94

I want to ask you a question then. Neoma May 2014 #96

It wouldn't stop stabbing deaths treestar May 2014 #11

Why not address the root cause: mental illness JJChambers May 2014 #14

That too treestar May 2014 #39

Mental illness is NOT the cause of all violent acts. Neoma May 2014 #50

It disgusts me, too. Louisiana1976 May 2014 #64

+1000 DeadLetterOffice May 2014 #89

Mental illness has never been shown to be the root cause of violence. phil89 May 2014 #65

You can consider it misguided, if you wish, but how is it "despicable"? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #91

I have a brother with schizophrenia, fuck you for trying to call mental illness the problem Bjorn Against May 2014 #101

+1 n/t NealK May 2014 #106

There's both a mental health issue AND a gun issue frazzled May 2014 #22

THIS X 10000000. I am tired of this either/ or thinking. bettyellen May 2014 #25

Certainly we as a scoiety need to deal with mental illness, I don't think anyone denies that etherealtruth May 2014 #9

I'm sure the victims he stabbed to death take comfort in knowing JJChambers May 2014 #12

Your statement makes no sense whatsoever ...? etherealtruth May 2014 #24

Thank you. n/t Jamastiene May 2014 #80

NRA TALKING POINT!! LAGC May 2014 #13

I think some good steps - educate 1st responders & model effective responses to psych disorders; pinto May 2014 #16

we sure do need that discussion KT2000 May 2014 #18

thank you. bettyellen May 2014 #29

We need to have a discussion about seething misogyny, racism, and access to firearms YoungDemCA May 2014 #21

Also in propping up the Republican Party's vote share. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #23

Look at other countries Rosa Luxemburg May 2014 #27

How about keeping them away from guns? KamaAina May 2014 #30

It is important to note that mentally ill people are more likely to be killed, KitSileya May 2014 #31

we've made great strides in insurance coverage for mental health fizzgig May 2014 #36

+1 million Louisiana1976 May 2014 #67

It is a problem that desperately needs to be addressed. Until that time, regulate the guns. morningfog May 2014 #33

what to do WITH us? fizzgig May 2014 #34

Mental health must be treated as seriously as physical health LittleBlue May 2014 #37

Except that the mentally ill are only as violent as people who are not mentally ill. Neoma May 2014 #38

Any mods going to lock this? Guns are off-topic here at GD I've been told... joeybee12 May 2014 #41

Please don't make it about that, I beg you. I wish no one had guns, but agree this is an important bettyellen May 2014 #49

It's focused on for all the wrong reasons though. Neoma May 2014 #52

that doesn't really matter why, since there is a mental health crises in our country. bettyellen May 2014 #54

It's a problem, but focusing on it because apparently all of the mentally ill are violent... Neoma May 2014 #55

Ignoring it encourages families to "go in the closet", instead of getting help too. And too many bettyellen May 2014 #56

I'm not saying do nothing about it! Neoma May 2014 #58

I understand, but also will not apologize about posting as to my own experiences or share my bettyellen May 2014 #63

Sorry, it is about guns...if it had been posted Tuesday you'd have a point... joeybee12 May 2014 #57

I think if you post Tuesday or Sunday it doesn't matter. I hate the NRA and can set it aside for a bettyellen May 2014 #60

I agree the discussion needs to be made... joeybee12 May 2014 #61

Yeah, I am ignoring that knife BS. Same old same old. bettyellen May 2014 #68

Happens all the time here after a senseless tragedy... joeybee12 May 2014 #69

I hear you. It is disppointing to see the NRA BS here for sure. bettyellen May 2014 #70

Are you serious? JJChambers May 2014 #84

Thank you Wayne LaPierre...thanks for revealing yourself.. joeybee12 May 2014 #95

That's what I thought JJChambers May 2014 #99

Actually, I would prefer banning guns and knives than locking up innocent non-violent people. Neoma May 2014 #103

When there is Yet Another Gun Outrage the gd hosts allow people to post about it in gd. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #87

That you, Wayne? moondust May 2014 #42

Welcome to the world Blue_Roses May 2014 #43

Disarming them would be a good first step. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #44

An inhumane society run by oligarchs, woo me with science May 2014 #47

You seem to be the expert. Mentally ill people upaloopa May 2014 #51

Hear, hear! Neoma May 2014 #53

this is a sad, sad and ignorant op. cali May 2014 #66

So what do you suggest we do? JJChambers May 2014 #85

Take him to the hospital like anyone else in that situation. Neoma May 2014 #97

threats are against the law. In my eyes, he should have been arrested. cali May 2014 #105

A few examples of people "committing violent crimes" and then being set free are in order here. thucythucy May 2014 #72

You aren't going to do a goddamn thing with me. Jamastiene May 2014 #73

+100. Neoma May 2014 #74

Every day here in San Francisco...... RandySF May 2014 #78

Another talking point. bravenak May 2014 #81

+1 YoungDemCA May 2014 #83

+2 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #93

+1000! nt adirondacker May 2014 #104

The mentally ill are not the problem steve2470 May 2014 #98

Most violent crimes are committed by people who are not mentally ill Bjorn Against May 2014 #100

But what we must absolutely never do Crunchy Frog May 2014 #102

what we shouldn't do is make Rodgers a celebrity ecstatic May 2014 #107