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46. Really? That's not what he says in his Manfiesto. Please, share where you learned that.

Tue May 27, 2014, 10:13 PM

May 2014

Here's what he says in his Manifesto:

On the day before the Day of Retribution, I will start the First Phase of my vengeance: Silently killing as many people as I can around Isla Vista by luring them into my apartment through some form of trickery. The first people I would have to kill are my two housemates, to secure the entire apartment for myself as my personal torture and killing chamber. After that, I will start luring people into my apartment, knock them out with a hammer, and slit their throats. I will torture some of the good looking people before I kill them, assuming that the good looking ones had the best sex lives. All of that pleasure they had in life, I will punish by bringing them pain and suffering. I have lived a life of pain and suffering, and it was time to bring that pain to people who actually deserve it. I will cut them, flay them, strip all the skin off their flesh, and pour boiling water all over them while they are still alive, as well as any other form of torture I could possibly think of. When they are dead, I will behead them and keep their heads in a bag, for their heads will play a major role in the final phase. This First Phase will represent my vengeance against all of the men who have had pleasurable sex lives while I’ve had to suffer. Things will be fair once I make them suffer as I did. I will finally even the score.

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Why Is It So Hard For People to Get That Rodger, Elliot Hated Sexually Active Men? [View all] JJChambers May 2014 OP

He planned to kill a houseful of women. bravenak May 2014 #1

He planned to lure random people to his apartment and murder them JJChambers May 2014 #2

He hated men because the could get women. bravenak May 2014 #5

Primarily the men who he considered lesser in status than himself JJChambers May 2014 #6

Because he was a narcisistic woman hating man. bravenak May 2014 #20

Mental illness and political ideology are not at all mutually excluse. Why would anyone think so? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #53

I have no idea whats going on with this one anymore. bravenak May 2014 #62

I'd go further and posit that an extreme obsession with ideology can often drive one to madness. Flatulo May 2014 #162

NO!! Because they were laying women and he was jealous because he couldn't have sex with those women Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #99

Their sex lives were all in his head, ironically, because he took every glance and .... Hekate May 2014 #131

Yep. Of course. Because women, in his mind--as in the minds of most women haters--are sluts. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #134

Dont forget that this is an isolated incident, nothing to do with guns or hating women randys1 May 2014 #153

he had planned to kill members of his own family as well (male and female) big_dog May 2014 #3

I may not agree with some of the full length of explanations to Rodger's actions... Shandris May 2014 #4

It's meant to be dismissive of PeaceNikki's OP from earlier. That's the whole point. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #54

Meh. I kind of figured as much, but I do try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Shandris May 2014 #116

Me too. But some of the willful head-in-sand responses have pushed beyond my tolerance level. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #117

You know who white supremacists hate almost as much as POCs? White people who aren't racist. LeftyMom May 2014 #7

White supremacists are whtite supremacists; Rodger, Elliot is crazy. JJChambers May 2014 #8

He was connected to a larger movement of organized misogyny. LeftyMom May 2014 #11

I thought he was a member of ANTI- pick up artist groups? JJChambers May 2014 #13

Go read the group if you're unclear about it's intent. They're mad that PUA techniques didn't work, LeftyMom May 2014 #18

oh gosh, you didn't read up on any of this, did you? PUA hate is Failed PUAs who are pissed the bettyellen May 2014 #21

He was drawn to the PUAs because he was a misogynist and then became disillusioned geek tragedy May 2014 #27

He was also a white supremacist Nevernose May 2014 #38

Exactly. Jamastiene May 2014 #123

^^^ this ^^^ TDale313 May 2014 #10

THANK YOU Skittles May 2014 #37

Yeah, it's really just.., TDale313 May 2014 #49

Again, I wish we could rec individual comments. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #58

Checkmate. Jamastiene May 2014 #120

Thank you for this. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #127

Because when he said he'd kill every "blonde slut" he saw, he meant men too. arcane1 May 2014 #9

Because men can be sluts too, don'cha know? It's just a coincidence the word refers to women 99% of nomorenomore08 May 2014 #90

Is your post accidentally or deliberately ironical? DURHAM D May 2014 #12

thank you! my thoughts exactly. m-lekktor May 2014 #17

. Starry Messenger May 2014 #14

He also hates sexually active men. Loathes them. Especially the ones who were lower class than him JJChambers May 2014 #15

All 144 pages. Starry Messenger May 2014 #19

Exactly JJChambers May 2014 #22

his hatred of some men is derivative of and ancillary to his hatred of women. geek tragedy May 2014 #29

You're desperate to make this about ANYTHING other than Rodger's hatred of women Scootaloo May 2014 #34

I'm picturing this Starry Messenger May 2014 #106

LOL, People are wondering why I'm laughing! boston bean May 2014 #141

I'm laughing too Bean! HangOnKids May 2014 #148

Yes. Keep going! He hated sexually active men PRECISELY BECAUSE they were sexually active with women Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #104

I don't think that excerpt Dorian Gray May 2014 #158

BOOM, thread is DOA. bettyellen May 2014 #23

Bbbbut he hated men toooooo! smokey nj May 2014 #24

I heard he also hated ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #100

Only because of the women treestar May 2014 #139

Smackdown! Raksha May 2014 #155

According to his "manifesto," he saw himself as a god and that he was going to slaughter animals deutsey May 2014 #16

shorter OP: "SHUT UP YOU DAMN UPPITY FEMINISTS MISOGYNY DOESN'T HURT ANYONE" nt geek tragedy May 2014 #25

Shorter response: JJChambers May 2014 #26

Classic anti-feminist derailing technique--make EVERYTHING about how men are the primary victim. geek tragedy May 2014 #28

Men were the primary victims: He killed twice as many men as he killed women JJChambers May 2014 #31

He was preparing his apartment as a trap for women. The men were in the way. Hekate May 2014 #36

Really? That's not what he says in his Manfiesto. Please, share where you learned that. JJChambers May 2014 #46

Cat got your tongue? JJChambers May 2014 #85

You proved nothing. bravenak May 2014 #105

I proved that the poster didn't know what he was talking about JJChambers May 2014 #109

She. And I have a life apart from this godforsaken site. Like grieving for my townspeople. nt Hekate May 2014 #130

kind of like you think that all real feminists approve of women being objectified geek tragedy May 2014 #39

Feminists, like me, empower women -- not shut them down for making choices that we do not approve of JJChambers May 2014 #47

No, you just try to shut them up when you don't like what they are saying nt geek tragedy May 2014 #59

When they're bashing women for making choices they dont agree with JJChambers May 2014 #67

That's true. I'm the same way. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #102

That must be why he went to a sorority house Scootaloo May 2014 #40

That was only because that sorority house did not open the door Jamastiene May 2014 #124

His plan was also to lure random men and women to his apartment JJChambers May 2014 #125

MISOGYNY KILLS!!!! bravenak May 2014 #30

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #42

He's been proving it for days. bravenak May 2014 #43

Someone ought to start a foundation. n/t Scootaloo May 2014 #45

Don't give him any ideas. bravenak May 2014 #52

Still shorter response ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #101

He hated men only in reference to women. It was all about the women who denied him... Hekate May 2014 #32

Are you at least having fun doing this? LeftyMom May 2014 #33

Some of the reactions are bit contemptible in my opinion. Liberal Veteran May 2014 #35

yes, because women/feminists denounce misogyny only for bragging rights nt geek tragedy May 2014 #41

Way to miss the point and prove it at the same time. Liberal Veteran May 2014 #48

um, no, when feminists denounce misogyny and try to highlight cases geek tragedy May 2014 #51

Seems to me misogynists kill and otherwise harm a lot more people than the mentally ill do... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #91

Exactly. n/t Jamastiene May 2014 #126

...^ that 840high May 2014 #93

That may be true for a few, I suppose. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #57

Read the manifesto. GeorgeGist May 2014 #145

In regards to the debate.....can we all meet halfway on this, and say that..... AverageJoe90 May 2014 #44

I can get with that.nt bravenak May 2014 #56

So long as people don't use that to downplay the woman-hating aspect of what he did. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #92

That's true. No denials from me about that. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #94

I get what you're saying - and hatred of women was certainly not the only aspect involved - nomorenomore08 May 2014 #98

"Stop trying to hijack this tragedy to further your pet political ideological purposes." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #50

It is in this case. JJChambers May 2014 #55

"Their political gain"? What, reducing the number of women harmed and killed by men? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #61

Trying to twist this nutjob's rampage into something it wasn't. JJChambers May 2014 #64

He himself was indeed "a nut with a knife and a gun." But his actions and beliefs weren't formed nomorenomore08 May 2014 #70

"his ideas were simply a more extreme version of stuff I've seen all over the place" YES! bettyellen May 2014 #88

because you are so much more a nuanced thinker than the rest of us. or not. nt La Lioness Priyanka May 2014 #60

Why do you keep writing his name like that? morningfog May 2014 #63

Because I wrote it as Rodger Elliot in an earlier thread JJChambers May 2014 #65

I don't believe that is why. morningfog May 2014 #66

What do you think the reason is? JJChambers May 2014 #69

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5003611 JJChambers May 2014 #75

Well I wish folks would quit feeding you regardless. JTFrog May 2014 #78

Thanks JTFrog JJChambers May 2014 #87

That Sheesh Convinced Me HangOnKids May 2014 #149

it's to goad me for "getting in his mustard" PeaceNikki May 2014 #71

That makes more sense. morningfog May 2014 #73

You mean exactly the reason I told you it was? JJChambers May 2014 #77

No apology. You are transparent. morningfog May 2014 #81

I know, I know. I need a tan. JJChambers May 2014 #83

Survived an alert... Agschmid May 2014 #114

Fascinating and encouraging JJChambers May 2014 #118

Yah that alert was out there IMO. Agschmid May 2014 #121

It's not a Goad JJChambers May 2014 #74

mmm hmmm. BTW, one thing of yours I will *never* *EVER* get into is mustard. PeaceNikki May 2014 #79

I like a nice homemade dijon mustard JJChambers May 2014 #82

Morningfog. Trolls change peoples names like that to try to be cutesy. bravenak May 2014 #80

Morningfog, my mistake. JJChambers May 2014 #84

His name was Elliot Rodger. Jamastiene May 2014 #129

Get help. GeorgeGist May 2014 #146

Like a file label. It's weird. bravenak May 2014 #68

Nice Guys hate both the women and the men they date. NuclearDem May 2014 #76

Nice Guy should be in quotes, though, IMHO. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #97

Nice guys Dorian Gray May 2014 #159

sad. but glaringly telling. no surprise though seabeyond May 2014 #86

Agreed. JJChambers May 2014 #89

OP reminds me of people who simply cannot admit racism exists because doing so would... Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #95

^^^This^^^ n/t Gormy Cuss May 2014 #96

Out of the park. Starry Messenger May 2014 #107

Great post. Thank you. TDale313 May 2014 #115

Absolutely! NealK May 2014 #132

So why did he kill his two roommates and one of their friends? Major Nikon May 2014 #138

Just because he killed others in his wake--because they happened to be in the way-- Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #140

Have you read all his writings, or are you just speculating on what you do know? Major Nikon May 2014 #143

Of course I haven't read ALL and neither have you! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #150

Speculation =/ facts Major Nikon May 2014 #156

Whatever dude. I think you're in denial and your feeble attempts at insults do not Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #157

This makes less sense than the other post Major Nikon May 2014 #160

I've been called many things, but "passive aggressive"? Hilarious! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #161

do you have a link for the blog to which you refer? PeaceNikki May 2014 #152

So people are not allowed to have other thoughts than what you think? hrmjustin May 2014 #103

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #111

So what exactly is disgusting and being shoved down our throats? hrmjustin May 2014 #112

You're playing N dimensional chess IronLionZion May 2014 #108

All in a day's work, my friend. All in a day's work. JJChambers May 2014 #110

Seems pretty clear he hated life. He stabbed his room mates to death Rex May 2014 #113

He only hated men because he was jealous that he had not lost his virginity, Jamastiene May 2014 #119

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #122

You are simply wrong MattBaggins May 2014 #128

He hated women because they weren't throwing themselves at him YoungDemCA May 2014 #133

"Stop trying to hijack this tragedy to further your pet political ideological purposes." NealK May 2014 #135

Elliott Rodgers was a hater. He hated everything. mackerel May 2014 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger May 2014 #137

lolz, locked out of his own thread. PeaceNikki May 2014 #142

Though doth protest too much ... GeorgeGist May 2014 #144

He was jealous of sexually active men becuase they had what he didn't gollygee May 2014 #147

But he LOVED guns. nt valerief May 2014 #151

He was an entitled, narcissist POS Aerows May 2014 #154