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Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
22. I'm British and we love our NHS
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 11:22 PM
Mar 2012

The NHS isn't "free" because we pay taxes to support it (well, I did before I became disabled) and we bitch and moan about it because we're British. Bitching and moaning is what we do, it's virtually a national sport. But whenever someone proposes getting rid of the old dear, we shout them down and boot them out of office. We're furious right now because, having campaigned on the NHS being safe with them, the bastard scum Tories are introducing which may, many years from now, lead to privatisation (we're furious with the Tories for many other reasons as well, we are having a national nightmare of buyer's remorse). We had a mini-hate for Americans a few years back when your right-wing started lying about our NHS.

You can still buy private insurance here and some do. Sometimes, they want to skip the availability lists (which means they're often seen by an NHS doctor moonlighting in his free time), some want luxurious hospitals and brand-name drugs (the NHS tends toward functionally spartan and generics to keep costs down), some just want the status symbol. Some large companies offer it as a perk for their high-level employees. But my point is that the NHS provides a "backstop", a ground-floor of service for price and to compete with that, private insurance has to offer a better service for a decent price. Which I always thought was the essence of capitalism. There's a small fee to have a prescription filled (currently about $15) but the young, old and poor are exempt from that and it's main purpose is to stop you bugging your doctor with crap that only needs a couple of asprin.

Proper single-payer universal healthcare in the USA would also mean building things. Hospitals, roads to connect them, ambulances for them to use, medical equipment to fill the hospitals with. And then all those hospitals need staffing. Yes, that means doctors but it also means paramedics, janitors, groundskeepers, canteen staff, someone to staff the newstand, receptionists, maintenence staff and I'm sure I'm missing out loads of people there. Yes, it would cost a fortune to set up an American single-payer universal system but that money only needs to be spent once (you just have to pay the comparatively small upkeep), creates stacks of new jobs and you get a shiny new health system out of it.

I deal with the NHS every week. Because I'm disabled (for reasons of both physical and mental health), I see my doctor all the time. I chose my own doctor, the same guy I've seen since I was a student. I can usually get an appointment within a couple of days with my own doctor who knows me and knows my history and knows the massive amounts of drugs I'm on. I know him quite well and he's not making millionaire money but he has a nice upper-middle-class life. New car every few years, couple of holidays a year, that kind of life.

Finally, here's a few figures for you (all either from Wiki or the CIA World Sourcebook):
Amount spent by Americans on Medicaid, Medicare and private insurance: aprox. $2.3 trillion, aprox. 45 million uninsured

NHS budget per citizen (in dollars): aprox. $2000 per citizen, per year. 0 uninsured.

Amount it would take to cover entire US population under NHS model (discounting start-up costs): aprox. $600 billion.

Amount to cover entire US population under French model (rated as world's best): aprox. $900 billion

Average tax paid by an average Briton: 22% + aprox. 9% National Insurance (our version of Social Security)

Average NHS administration overhead: aprox. 6.8% (unionised staff with pensions and benefits)

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There was a radio host here in Nashville TN that called 100 people in Canada in the phone book Lint Head Mar 2012 #1
I had a discussion with a Canadian a few days ago and he had problems with it. He said for doc03 Mar 2012 #3
I still have not met these mythical people that waited that long laundry_queen Mar 2012 #5
We have a friend in this country who is waiting for heart surgery. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #9
And here I am in the US with private insurance waiting for knee replacement csziggy Apr 2012 #35
BTW, ask him if he's ever had to wait that long laundry_queen Mar 2012 #6
Well, he could move here, get for profit insurance and SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #7
+1. That's EXACTLY what would happen. nt. Mariana Apr 2012 #24
maybe they should ask people who have medicare if they want for profit heathcare... madrchsod Mar 2012 #2
Oh, hell no, none of them do. Mariana Apr 2012 #25
Exactly....because as they will tell you...THEY EARNED IT! SammyWinstonJack Apr 2012 #40
I hate when people refer to taxpayer-funded healthcare as kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #4
Certainly here in Japan, it's not free for the general population Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #12
Bingo! Suich Mar 2012 #14
Yes, and certain chronic and catastrophic conditions are entirely covered Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #26
It seems like they've done away with the student discount Art_from_Ark Apr 2012 #33
I lived in several European countries and loved the single payer JDPriestly Mar 2012 #8
During the health care debate there was a British conservative who went on Fox News and Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #10
Socialized medicine isn't 'free' Zax2me Mar 2012 #11
Perhaps you're right JohnnyRingo Mar 2012 #15
I have friends in Canada and Australia marlakay Mar 2012 #13
Is your friend in Auistralia talking about GPs? SwissTony Mar 2012 #16
I'm even more sick of the people who perpetuate that myth. GoCubsGo Mar 2012 #17
bill maher was on last night newspeak Mar 2012 #18
The actual rate Prophet 451 Mar 2012 #23
To listen to conservatives in the US Mariana Apr 2012 #27
It is a complete crock Prophet 451 Apr 2012 #37
My husband is English, although we live in the US Mariana Apr 2012 #39
Well I can play "anecdotal evidence" too Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2012 #29
Another reason... Prophet 451 Apr 2012 #38
right wingers are stupid fanatics fascisthunter Mar 2012 #21
It is nothing but rw lies about the evil of socialism libtodeath Mar 2012 #19
What country gets free health care. NCTraveler Mar 2012 #20
yeah that jumps out at you doesn't it. dionysus Apr 2012 #30
I'm British and we love our NHS Prophet 451 Mar 2012 #22
excellent post dionysus Apr 2012 #31
Thank you. In theory... Prophet 451 Apr 2012 #36
Thanx for your input JohnnyRingo Apr 2012 #41
Please do Prophet 451 Apr 2012 #42
"Favour". JohnnyRingo Apr 2012 #43
no health care is ever free;they pay for it with their taxes. it's just that govt\single payer is a dionysus Apr 2012 #28
I read an article recently about Japan spending among the least amount on health care, per capita Incitatus Apr 2012 #32
Except it isn't "free" as others have pointed out. Quantess Apr 2012 #34
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