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dionysus

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25. please. single payer is the ultimate mandate. the problem isn't mandates, the problem is

Sun Apr 1, 2012, 01:48 AM

Apr 2012

eliminating the juggernaut industry of insurance, which you claim, over and over and over and over again, that obama somehow loves.

the facts, however, is that the Dem controller House even had to drastically water down their public option, to even get that passed, and it couldn't pass the senate. Berrnie sanders, who i trust, said there was maybe, 5, 10 at most dem votes in the Senate for single payer. the votes were never there for either, not even remotely close. and to this day you blame Obama for it. it's tiresome at this point.

what we got was anemic, but has things we can build on.

so what exactly is up with the constant obama sucks, all the time crap? really. many people see right through this shit.

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Let me get this straight - how did we come to adopting a REPUBLICAN idea as our own? [View all] Zalatix Mar 2012 OP

Because corporate DLC democrats are running our party or the Republican Lites. Cleita Mar 2012 #1

Exactly. n/t dflprincess Mar 2012 #3

That's it in a nutshell. It was truly sickening to watch the Obama Administration Marr Mar 2012 #5

We have some DLC, (Republican Lite) here, not supporting Liberal/Progressive programs. RC Mar 2012 #4

No kidding! Phlem Apr 2012 #11

We also have people here who just throw out labels for people who disagree with them. great white snark Apr 2012 #28

Well, when you defend right of center political ideals, that kinda makes one RC Apr 2012 #54

Well Phlem Apr 2012 #55

No, that's what the right wing does. Cleita Apr 2012 #67

and now O & Salazar are saying we need to explore for oil off the VA coast wordpix Apr 2012 #65

Because not having it is worse. nt Deep13 Mar 2012 #2

Because MA Dems had supported it, and Congressional Dems were verklempt for Teddy FarCenter Mar 2012 #6

And Mitt used to be a moderate Republican. nt zanana1 Apr 2012 #37

It's a ProSense Mar 2012 #7

Indeed. Candidate Obama made it clear he favored mandates MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #9

Doesn't matter ProSense Apr 2012 #10

Doesn't matter MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #12

No ProSense Apr 2012 #14

Yes MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #15

Evidently, ProSense Apr 2012 #16

And what's your basis for that? MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #17

Oh, they stand for something. Marr Apr 2012 #30

Well, if it's good enough for Nixon, then that settles it! Faryn Balyncd Apr 2012 #26

Of course, ProSense Apr 2012 #48

Nixon's plan didn't include a mandate. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #63

please. single payer is the ultimate mandate. the problem isn't mandates, the problem is dionysus Apr 2012 #25

For the public option, 50 votes were reportedly there or very close to it. eomer Apr 2012 #41

bullshit. w had 6 blue dogs plus lieberman of which more than one were ready to fillibuster the PO. dionysus Apr 2012 #64

The final bill passed 56 to 43. It was a reconciliation bill and could not be filibustered. eomer Apr 2012 #66

Stop, you're not supposed to remind people that the Dems COULD pass something sabrina 1 Apr 2012 #69

"the far left" Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #40

I was being sarcastic, sorry MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #42

I thought it was odd coming from you but at this point Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #57

As you say... MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #58

Well I heard Phlem Apr 2012 #56

It seems.... bighughdiehl Apr 2012 #8

same reason we drink all the 'free trade' kool-aid bart95 Apr 2012 #13

LOL!! Well said! Zalatix Apr 2012 #19

worse; we are adopting the Heritage Foundation's health care plan. provis99 Apr 2012 #18

Woah, I didn't think it was THAT bad. Zalatix Apr 2012 #20

here are a couple of good links: provis99 Apr 2012 #24

Holy cripes. I'm seriously going to use this. A lot. Zalatix Apr 2012 #33

We adopted that so the Republicans would support a new health plan. Kablooie Apr 2012 #21

It's the current 2-party system. krispos42 Apr 2012 #22

because someone with a D after their name proposed it TorchTheWitch Apr 2012 #23

Because Ted Kennedy Said That He Regretted On the Road Apr 2012 #27

Most people favor single-payer. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #35

That Might be True, but That Was Supposedly True in the Early 90s On the Road Apr 2012 #59

I think the answer to that is obvious, & demonstrated in the fact that the Democrats are pushing HiPointDem Apr 2012 #61

Your Interpretation is Obvious On the Road Apr 2012 #71

I meant that the people who fund politics want the mandate. Seems like you took it a different HiPointDem Apr 2012 #73

The RW strategy is to manuever Democrats into passing (& then getting blamed for) Republican policy Faryn Balyncd Apr 2012 #29

Blaming it on the GOP is 100% BS chnoutte Apr 2012 #39

Because Prez. Hope & Change says so. Got it? 99th_Monkey Apr 2012 #31

Actually it was the Heritage Foundation that came up with SomethingFishy Apr 2012 #32

On edit: I see I *am* wrong about Gingrich originating the mandate. Heritage it is. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #34

It goes farther back than that...Nixon proposed it, Dole pushed it in 1993.. joeybee12 Apr 2012 #36

Nixon's plan was actually better: HiPointDem Apr 2012 #62

Who is this we? chnoutte Apr 2012 #38

Because it helps people? What you call garbage will help alleviate suffering by millions. Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #43

It was the only way to get anything through Congress Motown_Johnny Apr 2012 #44

It's rather simple. USArmyParatrooper Apr 2012 #45

Although Mitt Rmoney IMPLEMENTED it first, Hillary Clinton thought of it. nt LaydeeBug Apr 2012 #46

What you call "garbage" will help millions of people get healthcare they did not have before. DCBob Apr 2012 #47

Who cares? ProSense Apr 2012 #49

Oddly, your analysis is correct hayrow1 Apr 2012 #53

Insurance does not equal care eom TransitJohn Apr 2012 #51

No, health *insurance*. Marr Apr 2012 #52

There is nothing in this bill that guarantees access to health care dflprincess Apr 2012 #70

Individual Mandate came from Orrin Hatch in 1993 _ed_ Apr 2012 #50

Because the real bosses govern both parties. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #60

Because it's the only way to have guaranteed-issue without unaffordable premiums for everyone Recursion Apr 2012 #68

"We" did not adopt this. Curmudgeoness Apr 2012 #72

So follow through like a Republican jeff47 Apr 2012 #74