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merrily

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98. Maybe, maybe not. I can't know that (and I doubt you can either). However, it's different issue

Wed May 28, 2014, 11:57 PM

May 2014

entirely from why he ended up in Russia, which was the point you raised originally. And, both those things are very different issues from whether the government is doing right by us, which I think is the only important issue.

It was important, short term and long term, for the American people to know that their government believed it could not win the Vietnam "Era," no matter what, yet was both continuing the war and telling voters that it was winning. The importance of Ellsberg motives in making that info public, paled in comparison, even at the time, and meant nothing long term. Same for Snowden and Greenwald, who are only distractions from the real issue. Distractions, unfortunately, on which some seem to love to dwell and to get everyone else to dwell.

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Why did the brilliant trained spy ever go to Hong Kong? Why didn't he fly directly to Venezuala [View all] pnwmom May 2014 OP

The laser cutting torch on his ballpoint pen failed and he missed going off the ski jump into FSogol May 2014 #1

That's one explanation. n/t pnwmom May 2014 #4

The quality of laser pens has gone down quite a bit... Lancero May 2014 #52

Lolz. So true, so very true. 007 had his stuff made in country. Something America should embrace nt okaawhatever May 2014 #105

ha.... Dorian Gray May 2014 #131

I have no idea. Perhaps Vz not the best choice for asylum? Warren Stupidity May 2014 #2

No, I don't. I'm glad he released that information but he didn't have to collect or release pnwmom May 2014 #7

The spying on our friends and the spying for economic advantage are corrupt practices. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #9

No, they aren't. MohRokTah May 2014 #17

All politicians are corrupt Capt. Obvious May 2014 #46

The US DOJ disagrees with you (NT) Fred Drum May 2014 #54

Things can be universal and corrupt. merrily May 2014 #79

When have we been accused of stealing trade secrets, as the Chinese have? n/t pnwmom May 2014 #19

Oh we would never do that. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #37

Accusations determine important things? merrily May 2014 #80

Probably because he was trying to sell some info to the chinese for cash and asylum but they just Drew Richards May 2014 #3

I would say that's a pretty good WAG... ProdigalJunkMail May 2014 #10

That's one possibility jmowreader May 2014 #117

Well, he sure isn't a 007 agent, if he thought he was going to be in a ticker tape parade he missed. Thinkingabout May 2014 #5

I will always wonder why he did it that way. We needed to know about surveillance in the US... Hekate May 2014 #6

I don't think it's a coincidence that he ended up in Russia, pnwmom May 2014 #12

BINGO!!! I thought I was goin nuts with the timing thing with Ukraine uponit7771 May 2014 #16

I don't think so either. He's provided a lot of cover for two nations that are Not Our Friends... Hekate May 2014 #26

You mean because Russia was behind the coup that over through the elected government zeemike May 2014 #51

Venezuela isn't powerful enough to protect him LittleBlue May 2014 #8

oh come on, it is very important to Bash Him, new revelations are coming out. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #11

It's interesting.... Maedhros May 2014 #59

I think that might be due to his recent interview where he claims spy-training. arcane1 May 2014 #70

Curious only if you didn't have your tv tuned to NBC from ten to eleven PM eastern this evening. MADem May 2014 #104

So you think he was lying when he said his intent was to go to Cuba and South America? pnwmom May 2014 #15

That's true LittleBlue May 2014 #20

Manning won't spend his life in prison unless he dies prematurely: he'll be eligible struggle4progress May 2014 #40

Manning is an example. sulphurdunn May 2014 #67

Did you hear that from Zoltar himself? struggle4progress May 2014 #71

Zoltar is always right. sulphurdunn May 2014 #95

. Egnever May 2014 #113

Manning does not suffer from progeria. nt MADem May 2014 #123

Manning is fighting to stay put. MADem May 2014 #122

Dunno about the logic here: transfer might perhaps be to his long-term advantage struggle4progress May 2014 #133

Manning is probably doing well at Leavenworth. MADem May 2014 #135

In his defense, he didn't say he was a good spy. onenote May 2014 #63

I heard him say to Williams that his plan was to go to Cuba and from Cuba to South America. merrily May 2014 #82

Iran? regards, Chinese intel is up there with the AC fleet... non existent uponit7771 May 2014 #18

It's one ProSense May 2014 #23

A new day, a new excuse, there was flights from the US to Venezuala on the date he left the US. Thinkingabout May 2014 #81

The advisor that kept him stashed in the Russian Consulate in Hong Kong? MADem May 2014 #106

Excellent question. Would it not have made more sense to...... wandy May 2014 #13

Double Naught Spies ALWAYS know what they're doing. MohRokTah May 2014 #14

imo because whoever really wanted him to DL all that information didn't care about what Sunlei May 2014 #21

I was hoping we had a slight reprieve from the hate Snowden posts. rhett o rick May 2014 #22

Maybe you should ask Snowden then to stop putting himself out there. pnwmom May 2014 #28

It's a distraction from important issues like Wall Street corruption, fracking, the TPP, indefinite rhett o rick May 2014 #34

Looks like you have some threads to start. ProSense May 2014 #35

There are lots and lots of such threads, but the "hate Snowden Group" wont participate. Odd that rhett o rick May 2014 #42

Why do you care what anyone else does? Go engage in the "lots of such threads" ProSense May 2014 #45

I am just curious why none of you post in threads on certain important issues. rhett o rick May 2014 #68

Here you go: pnwmom May 2014 #108

Funny that I never see you in any of those threads. Actually none of the "Group" post rhett o rick May 2014 #109

And where are you in the GMO threads? Or e-cig threads or other health related threads? pnwmom May 2014 #115

Who knew we had a sizeable "pro-fracking" contingent here at DU? MADem May 2014 #129

That's funny. The Repukes say the same thing about B-E-N-G-H-A-Z-I! Everything's a distraction. Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #43

Indeed it is a distraction--so why is giving an interview to NBC News tonight???? nt msanthrope May 2014 #76

Wow you guys really turn out for a thread like this. I think you are all here. rhett o rick May 2014 #93

It's like their Benghazi. The less fire, the more DirkGently May 2014 #114

Why don't you write Edward Snowden a fan letter and tell him to stop popping up Cha May 2014 #47

It only bothers me that people calling themselves liberals act so much like conservatives. rhett o rick May 2014 #94

You just want to whine because Snowden is being called out on his bullshit. nm Cha May 2014 #97

The funny thing is that you try to insult me in that way. I dont care about Snowden. rhett o rick May 2014 #107

I'm just stating a fact "I was hoping we had a slight reprieve from the hate Snowden posts." Cha May 2014 #110

Seems you guys got nothing else but hate. Hate Snowden, hate Greenwald, hate OWS, hate anyone that rhett o rick May 2014 #112

They are trying to create a new conspiracy theory. zeemike May 2014 #53

Greenwald is about to name names and reveal the Americans Aerows May 2014 #56

^^^ grasswire May 2014 #78

The people that post this nonsense have no integrity. [n/t] Maedhros May 2014 #60

Nor do those wishing others only post subjects they deem worthy. Ikonoklast May 2014 #73

I'm referring to posters who substitute personal attacks for actual debate. Maedhros May 2014 #91

Gee, OK for thee but not for me, that's your rule, apparently. MADem May 2014 #125

extradition from HK is particularly difficult and convoluted... mike_c May 2014 #24

How do you know what was his objective? He claimed that South America was his objective, pnwmom May 2014 #29

I know you simply don't want to see his actions objectively... mike_c May 2014 #134

Not if the mainland says "Make it so." MADem May 2014 #127

Great questions. WORST! SPY! EVER! Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #25

I just had an image of Snowden and GG walking along together Whisp May 2014 #38

That is priceless! Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #41

No kidding! gratuitous May 2014 #39

"WORST! SPY! EVER!" Number23 May 2014 #118

My impression was that workers in sensitive areas like him are kept close track of. WatermelonRat May 2014 #27

He could have arranged a trip to Canada and from there, gone anywhere. pnwmom May 2014 #30

Look at it this way ~ he didn't get caught, and he is not dead, or in prison, right now. Zorra May 2014 #31

Yep dipsydoodle May 2014 #32

So he was lying when he clearly said he never intended to go to Russia, pnwmom May 2014 #33

I'm interested in the information he reveals about violations of my personal liberty, Zorra May 2014 #55

Funny how neither Assange nor his attorneys disputed what occurred. randome May 2014 #36

When Greenwald names the names Aerows May 2014 #61

Snowden's a "spy" that defected to Russia, then. Spreading US secrets all over globe.. and he and Cha May 2014 #44

He said he was an american spy gwheezie May 2014 #48

Then why didn't he fly to Canada and then straight to Cuba? pnwmom May 2014 #49

the hint of sarcasm gwheezie May 2014 #50

If I were going on the run from the most powerful lexington filly May 2014 #57

He's in Russia because he chose to go to there from Hong Kong, pnwmom May 2014 #74

...he's a lying , weasel piece of shit. SoapBox May 2014 #58

"Snowden trained as spy, yet stuck in Moscow. Either training sucked, he sucked, or.. " Cha May 2014 #62

Or the US flexed its muscles and no individual is a match for that. merrily May 2014 #88

Fuck snowden.. he took the job with the intent to steal. nm Cha May 2014 #96

Maybe, maybe not. I can't know that (and I doubt you can either). However, it's different issue merrily May 2014 #98

Maybe Snowden has been in Kansas all this time. Todays_Illusion May 2014 #64

Papa Paul and Comrade Snowden ~ 2016 nt Cryptoad May 2014 #65

obviously to arm those who want to dodge the issues he revealed stupidicus May 2014 #66

what is wrong with you people?? ellennelle May 2014 #69

Well said! And besides, ozone_man May 2014 #72

It's not about Comrade Eddie, but he's giving an interview to NBC News tonight??? nt msanthrope May 2014 #77

It's obviously all about "Comrade Eddie" whatchamacallit May 2014 #84

He's giving an interview to NBC news.....but it's not about him???? nt msanthrope May 2014 #85

It's about him for you whatchamacallit May 2014 #86

Is it not Edward Snowden sitting down and talking to NBC News? nt msanthrope May 2014 #87

Whatever Edward Snowden does whatchamacallit May 2014 #89

For many, it's all they've got. Maedhros May 2014 #92

He says he wanted to go to Venezuela. He could have flown there pnwmom May 2014 #75

Well, he fucked up, didn't he? randome May 2014 #90

Maybe we'll hear more about that tonight. Maybe he didn't want to leave a bread crumb trail. merrily May 2014 #83

American Ambassador pointed out a direct Snowden lie in the post-interview MSNBC roundtable..... msanthrope May 2014 #99

May not be lies -- it could be that Snowden did not know this karynnj May 2014 #101

Yup, Putin isn't done with him. joshcryer May 2014 #103

Don't bother asking these kinds of questions Blue_Tires May 2014 #100

Why did he spend several nights in the RUSSIAN CONSULATE in Hong Kong? MADem May 2014 #102

Did you know that "Just Asking Questions" was a newly recognized illogical fallacy? It's a favorite rhett o rick May 2014 #111

You clearly don't know that distracting from an obvious point is the mark of a failed argument. MADem May 2014 #116

Clearly he hasn't gotten it that his obvious attempts at distracting from Cha May 2014 #120

Apparently he DID SAY THAT!!!! MADem May 2014 #121

First of all.. Eddie lies.. so any "claim" he makes smells like bullshit. If he wanted to Cha May 2014 #126

Well, he celebrated his birthday in Hong Kong at the Russian Consulate there.... MADem May 2014 #130

Holy moly. I actually did not know that. His Russian ties are more than problematic. Number23 May 2014 #119

He probably learned how to say this in the Hong Kong Russian Consulate.... MADem May 2014 #124

Oh I dunno.. 'cause he wanted to go to Russia? Cha May 2014 #128

Because he's........ davidpdx May 2014 #132

Ever check out the murder rate in Venezuala? n/t miyazaki May 2014 #136

Do you think he was lying when he said that was his intended destination? pnwmom May 2014 #137