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Dorian Gray

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158. I don't think that excerpt

Thu May 29, 2014, 06:56 AM

May 2014

proved what you think it proved.

While I will give to you that he, in passing, seems to have little respect for brutish men, most of his vile hatred and disgusting rant is geared toward women.

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Why Is It So Hard For People to Get That Rodger, Elliot Hated Sexually Active Men? [View all] JJChambers May 2014 OP

He planned to kill a houseful of women. bravenak May 2014 #1

He planned to lure random people to his apartment and murder them JJChambers May 2014 #2

He hated men because the could get women. bravenak May 2014 #5

Primarily the men who he considered lesser in status than himself JJChambers May 2014 #6

Because he was a narcisistic woman hating man. bravenak May 2014 #20

Mental illness and political ideology are not at all mutually excluse. Why would anyone think so? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #53

I have no idea whats going on with this one anymore. bravenak May 2014 #62

I'd go further and posit that an extreme obsession with ideology can often drive one to madness. Flatulo May 2014 #162

NO!! Because they were laying women and he was jealous because he couldn't have sex with those women Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #99

Their sex lives were all in his head, ironically, because he took every glance and .... Hekate May 2014 #131

Yep. Of course. Because women, in his mind--as in the minds of most women haters--are sluts. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #134

Dont forget that this is an isolated incident, nothing to do with guns or hating women randys1 May 2014 #153

he had planned to kill members of his own family as well (male and female) big_dog May 2014 #3

I may not agree with some of the full length of explanations to Rodger's actions... Shandris May 2014 #4

It's meant to be dismissive of PeaceNikki's OP from earlier. That's the whole point. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #54

Meh. I kind of figured as much, but I do try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Shandris May 2014 #116

Me too. But some of the willful head-in-sand responses have pushed beyond my tolerance level. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #117

You know who white supremacists hate almost as much as POCs? White people who aren't racist. LeftyMom May 2014 #7

White supremacists are whtite supremacists; Rodger, Elliot is crazy. JJChambers May 2014 #8

He was connected to a larger movement of organized misogyny. LeftyMom May 2014 #11

I thought he was a member of ANTI- pick up artist groups? JJChambers May 2014 #13

Go read the group if you're unclear about it's intent. They're mad that PUA techniques didn't work, LeftyMom May 2014 #18

oh gosh, you didn't read up on any of this, did you? PUA hate is Failed PUAs who are pissed the bettyellen May 2014 #21

He was drawn to the PUAs because he was a misogynist and then became disillusioned geek tragedy May 2014 #27

He was also a white supremacist Nevernose May 2014 #38

Exactly. Jamastiene May 2014 #123

^^^ this ^^^ TDale313 May 2014 #10

THANK YOU Skittles May 2014 #37

Yeah, it's really just.., TDale313 May 2014 #49

Again, I wish we could rec individual comments. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #58

Checkmate. Jamastiene May 2014 #120

Thank you for this. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #127

Because when he said he'd kill every "blonde slut" he saw, he meant men too. arcane1 May 2014 #9

Because men can be sluts too, don'cha know? It's just a coincidence the word refers to women 99% of nomorenomore08 May 2014 #90

Is your post accidentally or deliberately ironical? DURHAM D May 2014 #12

thank you! my thoughts exactly. m-lekktor May 2014 #17

. Starry Messenger May 2014 #14

He also hates sexually active men. Loathes them. Especially the ones who were lower class than him JJChambers May 2014 #15

All 144 pages. Starry Messenger May 2014 #19

Exactly JJChambers May 2014 #22

his hatred of some men is derivative of and ancillary to his hatred of women. geek tragedy May 2014 #29

You're desperate to make this about ANYTHING other than Rodger's hatred of women Scootaloo May 2014 #34

I'm picturing this Starry Messenger May 2014 #106

LOL, People are wondering why I'm laughing! boston bean May 2014 #141

I'm laughing too Bean! HangOnKids May 2014 #148

Yes. Keep going! He hated sexually active men PRECISELY BECAUSE they were sexually active with women Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #104

I don't think that excerpt Dorian Gray May 2014 #158

BOOM, thread is DOA. bettyellen May 2014 #23

Bbbbut he hated men toooooo! smokey nj May 2014 #24

I heard he also hated ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #100

Only because of the women treestar May 2014 #139

Smackdown! Raksha May 2014 #155

According to his "manifesto," he saw himself as a god and that he was going to slaughter animals deutsey May 2014 #16

shorter OP: "SHUT UP YOU DAMN UPPITY FEMINISTS MISOGYNY DOESN'T HURT ANYONE" nt geek tragedy May 2014 #25

Shorter response: JJChambers May 2014 #26

Classic anti-feminist derailing technique--make EVERYTHING about how men are the primary victim. geek tragedy May 2014 #28

Men were the primary victims: He killed twice as many men as he killed women JJChambers May 2014 #31

He was preparing his apartment as a trap for women. The men were in the way. Hekate May 2014 #36

Really? That's not what he says in his Manfiesto. Please, share where you learned that. JJChambers May 2014 #46

Cat got your tongue? JJChambers May 2014 #85

You proved nothing. bravenak May 2014 #105

I proved that the poster didn't know what he was talking about JJChambers May 2014 #109

She. And I have a life apart from this godforsaken site. Like grieving for my townspeople. nt Hekate May 2014 #130

kind of like you think that all real feminists approve of women being objectified geek tragedy May 2014 #39

Feminists, like me, empower women -- not shut them down for making choices that we do not approve of JJChambers May 2014 #47

No, you just try to shut them up when you don't like what they are saying nt geek tragedy May 2014 #59

When they're bashing women for making choices they dont agree with JJChambers May 2014 #67

That's true. I'm the same way. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #102

That must be why he went to a sorority house Scootaloo May 2014 #40

That was only because that sorority house did not open the door Jamastiene May 2014 #124

His plan was also to lure random men and women to his apartment JJChambers May 2014 #125

MISOGYNY KILLS!!!! bravenak May 2014 #30

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #42

He's been proving it for days. bravenak May 2014 #43

Someone ought to start a foundation. n/t Scootaloo May 2014 #45

Don't give him any ideas. bravenak May 2014 #52

Still shorter response ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #101

He hated men only in reference to women. It was all about the women who denied him... Hekate May 2014 #32

Are you at least having fun doing this? LeftyMom May 2014 #33

Some of the reactions are bit contemptible in my opinion. Liberal Veteran May 2014 #35

yes, because women/feminists denounce misogyny only for bragging rights nt geek tragedy May 2014 #41

Way to miss the point and prove it at the same time. Liberal Veteran May 2014 #48

um, no, when feminists denounce misogyny and try to highlight cases geek tragedy May 2014 #51

Seems to me misogynists kill and otherwise harm a lot more people than the mentally ill do... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #91

Exactly. n/t Jamastiene May 2014 #126

...^ that 840high May 2014 #93

That may be true for a few, I suppose. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #57

Read the manifesto. GeorgeGist May 2014 #145

In regards to the debate.....can we all meet halfway on this, and say that..... AverageJoe90 May 2014 #44

I can get with that.nt bravenak May 2014 #56

So long as people don't use that to downplay the woman-hating aspect of what he did. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #92

That's true. No denials from me about that. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #94

I get what you're saying - and hatred of women was certainly not the only aspect involved - nomorenomore08 May 2014 #98

"Stop trying to hijack this tragedy to further your pet political ideological purposes." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #50

It is in this case. JJChambers May 2014 #55

"Their political gain"? What, reducing the number of women harmed and killed by men? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #61

Trying to twist this nutjob's rampage into something it wasn't. JJChambers May 2014 #64

He himself was indeed "a nut with a knife and a gun." But his actions and beliefs weren't formed nomorenomore08 May 2014 #70

"his ideas were simply a more extreme version of stuff I've seen all over the place" YES! bettyellen May 2014 #88

because you are so much more a nuanced thinker than the rest of us. or not. nt La Lioness Priyanka May 2014 #60

Why do you keep writing his name like that? morningfog May 2014 #63

Because I wrote it as Rodger Elliot in an earlier thread JJChambers May 2014 #65

I don't believe that is why. morningfog May 2014 #66

What do you think the reason is? JJChambers May 2014 #69

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #72

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5003611 JJChambers May 2014 #75

Well I wish folks would quit feeding you regardless. JTFrog May 2014 #78

Thanks JTFrog JJChambers May 2014 #87

That Sheesh Convinced Me HangOnKids May 2014 #149

it's to goad me for "getting in his mustard" PeaceNikki May 2014 #71

That makes more sense. morningfog May 2014 #73

You mean exactly the reason I told you it was? JJChambers May 2014 #77

No apology. You are transparent. morningfog May 2014 #81

I know, I know. I need a tan. JJChambers May 2014 #83

Survived an alert... Agschmid May 2014 #114

Fascinating and encouraging JJChambers May 2014 #118

Yah that alert was out there IMO. Agschmid May 2014 #121

It's not a Goad JJChambers May 2014 #74

mmm hmmm. BTW, one thing of yours I will *never* *EVER* get into is mustard. PeaceNikki May 2014 #79

I like a nice homemade dijon mustard JJChambers May 2014 #82

Morningfog. Trolls change peoples names like that to try to be cutesy. bravenak May 2014 #80

Morningfog, my mistake. JJChambers May 2014 #84

His name was Elliot Rodger. Jamastiene May 2014 #129

Get help. GeorgeGist May 2014 #146

Like a file label. It's weird. bravenak May 2014 #68

Nice Guys hate both the women and the men they date. NuclearDem May 2014 #76

Nice Guy should be in quotes, though, IMHO. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #97

Nice guys Dorian Gray May 2014 #159

sad. but glaringly telling. no surprise though seabeyond May 2014 #86

Agreed. JJChambers May 2014 #89

OP reminds me of people who simply cannot admit racism exists because doing so would... Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #95

^^^This^^^ n/t Gormy Cuss May 2014 #96

Out of the park. Starry Messenger May 2014 #107

Great post. Thank you. TDale313 May 2014 #115

Absolutely! NealK May 2014 #132

So why did he kill his two roommates and one of their friends? Major Nikon May 2014 #138

Just because he killed others in his wake--because they happened to be in the way-- Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #140

Have you read all his writings, or are you just speculating on what you do know? Major Nikon May 2014 #143

Of course I haven't read ALL and neither have you! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #150

Speculation =/ facts Major Nikon May 2014 #156

Whatever dude. I think you're in denial and your feeble attempts at insults do not Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #157

This makes less sense than the other post Major Nikon May 2014 #160

I've been called many things, but "passive aggressive"? Hilarious! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #161

do you have a link for the blog to which you refer? PeaceNikki May 2014 #152

So people are not allowed to have other thoughts than what you think? hrmjustin May 2014 #103

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #111

So what exactly is disgusting and being shoved down our throats? hrmjustin May 2014 #112

You're playing N dimensional chess IronLionZion May 2014 #108

All in a day's work, my friend. All in a day's work. JJChambers May 2014 #110

Seems pretty clear he hated life. He stabbed his room mates to death Rex May 2014 #113

He only hated men because he was jealous that he had not lost his virginity, Jamastiene May 2014 #119

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #122

You are simply wrong MattBaggins May 2014 #128

He hated women because they weren't throwing themselves at him YoungDemCA May 2014 #133

"Stop trying to hijack this tragedy to further your pet political ideological purposes." NealK May 2014 #135

Elliott Rodgers was a hater. He hated everything. mackerel May 2014 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger May 2014 #137

lolz, locked out of his own thread. PeaceNikki May 2014 #142

Though doth protest too much ... GeorgeGist May 2014 #144

He was jealous of sexually active men becuase they had what he didn't gollygee May 2014 #147

But he LOVED guns. nt valerief May 2014 #151

He was an entitled, narcissist POS Aerows May 2014 #154