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In reply to the discussion: The real reason a very loud few are posting hostility toward Glenn Greenwald at DU: [View all]Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)Yet most of them I believe are misguided people who think they are doing the right thing. As we have seen recently, many people rush out and give their opinion and insist that their opinion is correct. No matter the evidence, all of it is spin about an anti-Obama conspiracy or whatever. The point is that they honestly believe that their position is the one that resists the Rethugs. I say lately because how many people have denounced the effort to get Shinseki to resign? How many have labeled the entire thing the sole and complete purview of the GOP? At least the Democrats in Washington who have put a moment to consider this matter into good use. Because the knee jerk response of resisting the GOP would have us defending the indefensible.
You see, if Greenwald and Snowden are RW tools designed from birth to oppose President Obama, then the blatant violations of the 4th Amendment are perfectly acceptable, because obviously it's being used on the RW. These posters I call the misguided people hate the RW so much that they would take any indefensible side of any issue so long as the RW was on the other side. Logic, common sense, history, even law does not matter. All that matters is opposing the RW on every issue.
The Bush Administration spied. That was awful, horrible, and was an impeachment offense. The Obama Administration conducts the exact same programs. That is a vital defense against Terrorism because if something had happened while President Obama was in office the RW would blame him for not doing everything he could to protect this nation. I think that many of those who post have not considered the issue in its larger implication. These exact programs will be in place for the next President unless we stop them now. The next President may be Hillary, or some other Democrat. But it may be another RW type, the only advantage to that being that at least Democrats would be united again in protecting the 4th Amendment. The same people who are smearing Greenwald and Snowden now, would be shouting that the theoretical RW President in my scenario be impeached on January 21 2017 because of this spying.
This is the danger when your focus is entirely upon opposing your enemy on every issue for fear of losing even one. This is why we must have principals, core beliefs on issues we will not change with the shifting of the winds. If you oppose something, it is not because of political gain, short term gain. You oppose it because your Core Beliefs, your central moral anchor guides you. I am opposed to Racism. Not because the RW uses it as a tool to scare some of their supporters to the poll. But because it is immoral and indefensible in my mind. I support a Woman's right to choose. Not because the RW opposes it. But because I believe a woman should have the right to do with her body as she pleases. I support Gun Control, not because the RW opposes it, but because I believe that the world is far too dangerous now, and the idea that we take nothing from these lessons is troubling.
My core beliefs change only when someone makes a reasoned argument that causes me to examine my fundamental assumptions. It doesn't change when the party in power does. I opposed war under Bush. I oppose war under President Obama. I oppose spying under Bush, I oppose it under President Obama. The party in the White House does not affect my core beliefs, any more than the smearing of the messenger changes my opinions. It shouldn't change anyone's opinions, but for some reason, sadly it seems to. In that many "Democrats" are little more than fans of football teams. Their team is the best, because of some indefinable reason. Before every game, fans of opposing teams will be talking trash, and after the game fights will often break out as if the fan did something to cheat the defeated out of a victory. It troubles me to see the people who support the same party I do become little more than lunatic sports fans, who's worth is defined not by principals or beliefs, but by the color of the team uniforms.