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In reply to the discussion: The real reason a very loud few are posting hostility toward Glenn Greenwald at DU: [View all]cascadiance
(19,537 posts)FDR was a human being who made mistakes. Obama, Greenwald, Snowden, and others are also all human beings also that have made mistakes.
The important things is to look on balance what they've done, and where they have focused their efforts on most issues and the most important issues they've dealt with. Propagandists try to just focus on the faults and on judging the individuals. Journalists may focus on some of these random faults, but they should be focused primarily on the issues, and not just one person as a means to tear that person down.
On balance, FDR's collective actions have done so many more good things for this country, and therefore people for the most part have focused on all of those good things in judging him historically. Now we shouldn't IGNORE those faults such as the Japanese internments. We should avoid those again, but we also shouldn't use that action as the sole issue to judge FDR's life by.
Obama has done many good things, and many who critique him here (including people like myself), acknowledge those things as well, and that is what separates many of those people, especially those on the right that want to ignore those good things totally and be so focused on propagandizing everything against him. But the many things he's done badly need attention and are critical to the survival of our country from losing its democratic roots and becoming more of a authoritarian state for the 1%. It is not clear in every case whether he's a leader in some of these bad actions, or answering to some other more stealthy powers that are controlling his actions here. But ignoring these actions to just focus on the good things he's done is also wrong.
Snowden and Greenwald have focused on the actions of the NSA and how they've done things that arguably are unconstitutional in threatening our fundamental rights as Americans. These are actions that have been happening with the unconscious or conscious blessings of members of both of our two major parties, and there are many people here who rightly see the threats to our democracy going on with these issues and want more attention given to them, and are thankful to Greenwald and Snowden for taking many personal risks to try to optimally get us the details of what is going on with these issues.
Now they are also human beings and have made mistakes too no doubt. I certainly don't care for much of what many Libertarians stand for, and I think the focus on just what they do right (anti-war stances, stances on drugs, government transparency on spying and privacy abuses), sometimes obscures what they do wrong to many of the young that get drawn in to following them. But on balance, both of these individuals have done the right things and much of what Greenwald has done is not in support of the bad aspects that people ascribe to Libertarian values.
I really dislike propagandizing that ignores or underemphasizes the critical issues, and seeks to judge people by just looking at the arguably less critical issues or issues they don't focus on that they have made mistakes with (even if some of those are critical to some, as Japanese internment was critical to a sizable amount of Americans that don't deserve to be pushed to the side either).
I'm hoping in 2016 we get someone who on balance does the right things for the critical issues facing our country and planet (corporate corruption correction and fixing things like climate change, etc.). That is why I still hold the hopes of someone like Elizabeth Warren running who I feel is one of the few that is trying to do the right thing on these critical issues. I can completely understand though, even if she wants to run at this point why she publicly doesn't announce her intentions at this point, as there would be monstrous amounts of resources and money focused on propagandizing against her now that would not deal with the issues she has tried to lead us on fixing.
So, I support the OP's contention that there is an orchestrated attempt at trying to focus on discrediting Greenwald and Snowden instead of looking at the critical issues that they've focused on bringing to our attention that few have tried to do successfully. We as DUers and progressives need to have a healthy way of judging when criticism is focused on giving us an accurate total perspective, and when it is just trying to deter us from focusing on what isn't as important. That doesn't mean that everyone who criticizes Greenwald or Snowden is a "propagandist", but I would hope that those who aren't "propagandists" would step back and take a healthy look at the sum total of what they've talked about and taken risks to do to help us, and not just the negative aspects. If I see efforts to give a balanced perspective on judging them, I will make an effort to avoid just "labeling" them as well as propagandists. But I do feel that focusing on just those negative aspects is what propagandists tend to do, and from where I stand, I really would like to focus on the problems with the NSA, and not the personalities of those involved with it, as I think there's a lot of blame to be spread around for what has gone wrong here.