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saras

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69. It's not dumb, whatever else it is

Tue Dec 20, 2011, 11:36 PM

Dec 2011

"There are different kinds of truths for different kinds of people. There are truths appropriate for children; truths that are appropriate for students; truths that are appropriate for educated adults; and truths that are appropriate for highly educated adults, and the notion that there should be one set of truths available to everyone is a modern democratic fallacy. It doesn't work." - Irving Kristol, one of the founders of neoconservatism, from Origin of the Specious, Reason Magazine (July 1997)

They don't intend to cover up mistakes so much as hide them from the general public. The ruling class will continue, of course, to savage each other over their mistakes, but behind closed doors.

What's really bizarre is when people in the "students" and "educated adults" hold this philosophy as well.

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Face it... Americans are too comfortable with the idea of Fascism. [View all] nebenaube Dec 2011 OP

I don't think they are so much comfortable with fascism they just don't recognize it as fascism Justice wanted Dec 2011 #1

+1 I agree. We've certainly heard enough Hitler/Fascist comparisions over the years to Duct Tape Dec 2011 #2

We had guys go fight fascism in WWII and not a have brewens Dec 2011 #8

Yeah, they think it's capitalism, and we LOVE capitalism in this country, it's our national religion Remember Me Dec 2011 #9

I had a right winger tell me that it's wrong to teach real history about this country Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #10

What dangerous thinking, absolutely dangerous. Cover up past mistakes so we can RKP5637 Dec 2011 #15

I know. I think it's part of their fear and inflexibility. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #22

I know. It's scary. It's fascist. That's what right wingers are. Fascists. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #54

And also fits right into authoritarianism. Do not think, do as you're told, do not RKP5637 Dec 2011 #55

EXACTLY! The weird thing is that the right wing that told me that... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #58

I'm convinced, as has been documented in some papers, that peoples minds are RKP5637 Dec 2011 #60

If some are hard-wired to be servants or tyrants... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #62

Yep, same reasons I love Occupy!!! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2011 #63

It's not dumb, whatever else it is saras Dec 2011 #69

well, there goes newspeak Dec 2011 #48

Yup. I believe right wingnuts think the REAL America is one that does things the right wingnut way Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2011 #53

Your post is an excellent analysis in a snapshot. Many Americans are passively scumming to RKP5637 Dec 2011 #14

You are right about the Perilous journey. Reality TV has basically destroyed thinking... If it is Justice wanted Dec 2011 #23

It's a human tendancy to accept Fascism Scootaloo Dec 2011 #26

I agree. Most do not recognize this as fascism and wouldn't believe it anyway. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2011 #59

WTF? Is this in response to anything specific? coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #3

I tend to agree quinnox Dec 2011 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Dec 2011 #11

Ah geez. Comfortable with Fascism? pinto Dec 2011 #5

Most American's are not at all in tune with what is going on in this country! The MSM is virtually teddy51 Dec 2011 #6

Defeatist horseshit. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #7

YOur argument isnt very compelling. nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #12

Neither is 'Let's give up'. randome Dec 2011 #19

I am willing to fight for the Constitution. You apparently are willing to give up. rhett o rick Dec 2011 #44

His argument is precisely as compelling as is required. Dewey Finn Dec 2011 #29

He wins because you happen to agree? Major Nikon Dec 2011 #30

I don't entirely agree with him, no. Dewey Finn Dec 2011 #40

He called the poster a "defeatist" and the post "bullshit". How does that win anything. rhett o rick Dec 2011 #47

You might want to check the first rule of debate Major Nikon Dec 2011 #52

Mind if I take this one? SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #45

The corporations control cyglet Dec 2011 #56

I dont believe it is constructive to call someone a "defeatist" and say their post is rhett o rick Dec 2011 #46

I think Thom Hartmann speaks of a book that tells how fascism gradually overtook rhett o rick Dec 2011 #13

Very good point, it's often seen as the other guy did this, or that, or asked for it, but does not RKP5637 Dec 2011 #17

well, I think of the citizens united ruling also leads to fascism newspeak Dec 2011 #49

Definitely! I find the citizens united ruling bizarre, un-democratic and definitely a tool RKP5637 Dec 2011 #50

Just ask Martin Niem�ller... n/t backscatter712 Dec 2011 #20

every time i hear that term HOMELAND oldhippydude Dec 2011 #27

Hadn't thought of that before, but you're absolutely correct!!! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2011 #33

Me also. nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #42

One such book is "Defying Hitler" by Sebastian Haffner. The parallels are there. nt Nay Dec 2011 #38

Thanks for the info. nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #43

I even think we're too comfortable with the idea of ethnic cleaning XemaSab Dec 2011 #16

I think half of them have been convinced they want it... Burgman Dec 2011 #18

I will not take facism laying down. mick063 Dec 2011 #21

occupy nt Zorra Dec 2011 #24

nothing is real until it affects them personally, that's really the problem StarsInHerHair Dec 2011 #25

It ain't over til the fascist lady sings... AntiFascist Dec 2011 #28

I bet the majority of Americans have no idea whats in this bill newfie11 Dec 2011 #31

Yep, probably that way in most of America. I know some people that think it's just too RKP5637 Dec 2011 #34

That word gets thrown around way too much MFrohike Dec 2011 #32

You make a very good point, "Hitler's a dead horse these days." As you discussed, we RKP5637 Dec 2011 #35

Hitler defined Naziism, not fascism... AntiFascist Dec 2011 #64

I get this MFrohike Dec 2011 #65

I think the key problem is... AntiFascist Dec 2011 #67

Not relevant in America MFrohike Dec 2011 #68

This is precisely why there needs to be a distinction between Nazism and Fascism... AntiFascist Dec 2011 #71

Ok MFrohike Dec 2011 #72

The relevant elements of fascism are fairly easy to identify, even though not as extreme... AntiFascist Dec 2011 #73

I share your frustration and agree jimlup Dec 2011 #36

The reality TV crowd is easily brain washed. sarcasmo Dec 2011 #37

Ignorance is the problem. I doubt that most people even know what fascism is. Plus if they do not jwirr Dec 2011 #39

Agree choie Dec 2011 #41

They don't recognize it as Fascism. Autumn Dec 2011 #51

OVER!??!?!?? hootinholler Dec 2011 #57

human nature is fascist; fascism is the human condition BOG PERSON Dec 2011 #61

YES. Several of my neighbors have been awakened by knocks on their doors at night Nye Bevan Dec 2011 #66

It's nice that they ended up in camps. The DEA just shot my neighbors. And their dog. saras Dec 2011 #70

Not quite. AverageJoe90 Dec 2011 #74