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In reply to the discussion: To those who dislike #Occupy, or consider disliking it due to anything you may call impolite [View all]nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)3. Here is a perspective from history
Here is the perspective you need to have.
For party activists, who see politics ONLY through the prism of republicans vs democrats, and it has become a fight between good and evil, OWS is a direct challenge to that world view. If ows was a nice kid and allowed itself to become a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic party, then it would be ALMOST ok. Most of the folks here (and at OWS) do not understand how lefty this is... one reason party elites have not tried to co-opt it, after a few failed tries. But this is why it is pulling elites to the left, kicking and screaming.
See local friction between Ray Lutz, a party activist (and a progressive) and OWS is partly this. OWS does not want to play that game.
Here is some real perspective from history... 1\3 of the Colonies did NOT support the revolution. They were the very rich of the time, and at the end left for places north or back to the home country. The evacuation of Boston was partly about that. 1\3 supported it, fought for it. bled and died. And 1\3 tried hard to remain neutral.
You are seeing a similar dynamic. For as many people here who openly support OWS there is an equal number who could care less and want to go on with their lives. And then you have the party activists and Republicans trying to shut it down. Few revolutions have most of the population involved.
But here we have a small but vocal MINORITY who keeps demanding what are the goals of OWS? It does not matter how many times they are told... they keep making the same silly demand. They have something at stake.
Now as to the NDAA and other bills. Quite frankly most Americans don't have time, nor know what is at stake. Partly this is little education. Partly, as an occupier put it. we had a full summer of Obamacare rammed down our throats, but the (corporate) media never really dealt with this. So most folks are NOT even aware what is in that bill. And sadly, this is the way it usually is. The guys who started the ACLU were in the same spot. They were a very loud, willing to go to jail for it. INFORMED MINORITY.
This is why I get frustrated, but not with the mushy middle. Them they can be reached, to a point, and educated and like the movie the Patriot, will pick sides when the war comes to them... but with those who have something invested in this, mostly psychological, this that they'd rather see OWS just go away. But the problem is not the 1\3 that is not involved in this and is just trying to survive. Power is a strange thing. Realize though that the PARTY is starting to realize they'd better pay attention and a few elected officials are starting to visit local occupy encampments. Mine is an example of that, she went on the 10th, for the Human Rights Campaign. She has yet to take the next step... shut up and listen... but at least she took that time. And then she got occupied...
As to the unions, believe it or not, most of the unions do get it. This is the last gasp. We fail... there goes the advances of labor.
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To those who dislike #Occupy, or consider disliking it due to anything you may call impolite [View all]
Fire Walk With Me
Dec 2011
OP
Last time I checked the Four Seasons was open and no one was lynching their
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2011
#33
I didn't really read your message, but you seem to be setting up a false opposition.
LoZoccolo
Dec 2011
#5
He was arrested because building management did not want him setting up a table.
randome
Dec 2011
#22
I can't think of a better chance of getting the change we need than through OWS.
pacalo
Dec 2011
#15
The 2010 elections? Did you forget to work to defeat the GOP? Or perhaps the
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2011
#34
Taking over public spaces for one group's use is NOT the same as conducting a protest.
randome
Dec 2011
#40
Well you may be right in the sense that we have the right to be in those public spaces
Bjorn Against
Dec 2011
#60
And take a glance at this article about corruption in our government:
Fire Walk With Me
Dec 2011
#39
FWWM is correct. At this point, it is OWS or die. You will be crushed to support Empire
Huey P. Long
Dec 2011
#31
A worldwide movement can't be condemned b/c someone thinks some "were rude." Stupid to suggest.
DirkGently
Dec 2011
#53
how sad that you need to defend the 99% and oWs on this forum. but good for you for having the patie
robinlynne
Dec 2011
#55
The OWS movement used passive resistance to garner support from the 99%. They
applegrove
Dec 2011
#61
I have never seen any politician endure what the protesters of OWS have
girl_interrupted
Dec 2011
#62