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nadinbrzezinski

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3. Here is a perspective from history
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 01:47 AM
Dec 2011

Here is the perspective you need to have.

For party activists, who see politics ONLY through the prism of republicans vs democrats, and it has become a fight between good and evil, OWS is a direct challenge to that world view. If ows was a nice kid and allowed itself to become a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic party, then it would be ALMOST ok. Most of the folks here (and at OWS) do not understand how lefty this is... one reason party elites have not tried to co-opt it, after a few failed tries. But this is why it is pulling elites to the left, kicking and screaming.

See local friction between Ray Lutz, a party activist (and a progressive) and OWS is partly this. OWS does not want to play that game.

Here is some real perspective from history... 1\3 of the Colonies did NOT support the revolution. They were the very rich of the time, and at the end left for places north or back to the home country. The evacuation of Boston was partly about that. 1\3 supported it, fought for it. bled and died. And 1\3 tried hard to remain neutral.

You are seeing a similar dynamic. For as many people here who openly support OWS there is an equal number who could care less and want to go on with their lives. And then you have the party activists and Republicans trying to shut it down. Few revolutions have most of the population involved.

But here we have a small but vocal MINORITY who keeps demanding what are the goals of OWS? It does not matter how many times they are told... they keep making the same silly demand. They have something at stake.

Now as to the NDAA and other bills. Quite frankly most Americans don't have time, nor know what is at stake. Partly this is little education. Partly, as an occupier put it. we had a full summer of Obamacare rammed down our throats, but the (corporate) media never really dealt with this. So most folks are NOT even aware what is in that bill. And sadly, this is the way it usually is. The guys who started the ACLU were in the same spot. They were a very loud, willing to go to jail for it. INFORMED MINORITY.

This is why I get frustrated, but not with the mushy middle. Them they can be reached, to a point, and educated and like the movie the Patriot, will pick sides when the war comes to them... but with those who have something invested in this, mostly psychological, this that they'd rather see OWS just go away. But the problem is not the 1\3 that is not involved in this and is just trying to survive. Power is a strange thing. Realize though that the PARTY is starting to realize they'd better pay attention and a few elected officials are starting to visit local occupy encampments. Mine is an example of that, she went on the 10th, for the Human Rights Campaign. She has yet to take the next step... shut up and listen... but at least she took that time. And then she got occupied...

As to the unions, believe it or not, most of the unions do get it. This is the last gasp. We fail... there goes the advances of labor.

(no I am not going to retype it, just edit it)

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Love OCCUPY. Thrilled with the way they learn and adapt. aquart Dec 2011 #1
Me too! tblue Dec 2011 #24
I support Occupy. nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #2
Here is a perspective from history nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #3
... Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #4
I don't "Demand" anything... brooklynite Dec 2011 #12
You do that' nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #13
Ah...protesting malfeasance and not shutting up about it IS voting. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #14
You have not kept up with Occupy if you 2pooped2pop Dec 2011 #26
Well Said... KharmaTrain Dec 2011 #32
Last time I checked the Four Seasons was open and no one was lynching their Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #33
I didn't really read your message, but you seem to be setting up a false opposition. LoZoccolo Dec 2011 #5
Read post number three nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #7
Sorry, but you're wrong. TheWraith Dec 2011 #9
that is why it is registering voters nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #10
Can you provide a link about the San Diego arrest? randome Dec 2011 #20
Not one but many nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #21
He was arrested because building management did not want him setting up a table. randome Dec 2011 #22
WHOOSHH!!!! nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #23
I can though, tell this early 2pooped2pop Dec 2011 #27
Elizabeth Warren may prove you wrong. n/t Zalatix Dec 2011 #11
Um, no, that would be proving me RIGHT. TheWraith Dec 2011 #67
If politics was worth i_sometimes Dec 2011 #56
They said the same thing about abolition in the 1840s. TheWraith Dec 2011 #68
I do not i_sometimes Dec 2011 #70
Read up on the American Anti-Slavery Society. TheWraith Dec 2011 #71
Done! i_sometimes Dec 2011 #72
we've been waiting a long long time 2pooped2pop Dec 2011 #29
Occupy all the way! n/t Zalatix Dec 2011 #6
k&r Starry Messenger Dec 2011 #8
I can't think of a better chance of getting the change we need than through OWS. pacalo Dec 2011 #15
Buy then some warm clothing, no serious nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #16
Your support is more powerful than you may realize. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #17
Group A: DLC/Third Way whatevertheyares, and republicans, are generally critical Zorra Dec 2011 #18
... Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #19
That seems to be it in a nutshell emulatorloo Dec 2011 #41
I support Occupy 100% 2pooped2pop Dec 2011 #25
What is a force against it? treestar Dec 2011 #28
The 2010 elections? Did you forget to work to defeat the GOP? Or perhaps the Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #34
You cannot be serious. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #38
Taking over public spaces for one group's use is NOT the same as conducting a protest. randome Dec 2011 #40
Well you may be right in the sense that we have the right to be in those public spaces Bjorn Against Dec 2011 #60
What's the difference, few cops, 1400. No difference. /nt jtuck004 Dec 2011 #43
And take a glance at this article about corruption in our government: Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #39
Reality tells me.. 99Forever Dec 2011 #30
FWWM is correct. At this point, it is OWS or die. You will be crushed to support Empire Huey P. Long Dec 2011 #31
We will make mistakes.... daleanime Dec 2011 #35
Kick Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #36
I fully support #occupy BobbyBoring Dec 2011 #37
kick in support of Occupy deutsey Dec 2011 #42
Occupy Woke Up This Dumb Country otohara Dec 2011 #44
Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #45
99% of the angst is because Occupy has not thrown in with the Democrats TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #46
Spot on. i_sometimes Dec 2011 #48
+1000 SammyWinstonJack Dec 2011 #50
word!!! KG Dec 2011 #57
A proud K and R 56... i_sometimes Dec 2011 #47
Occupy is our only hope. ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2011 #49
i love the way they make noise barbtries Dec 2011 #51
Occupy is our only chance at a civil nation. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2011 #52
A worldwide movement can't be condemned b/c someone thinks some "were rude." Stupid to suggest. DirkGently Dec 2011 #53
I support Occupy , 100% Vanje Dec 2011 #54
how sad that you need to defend the 99% and oWs on this forum. but good for you for having the patie robinlynne Dec 2011 #55
This is Democratic Underground. Nobody here would "dislike" #Occupy. nt NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #58
I do not "dislike" them however I do DISLIKE SecurityManager Dec 2011 #59
Noted. i_sometimes Dec 2011 #66
The OWS movement used passive resistance to garner support from the 99%. They applegrove Dec 2011 #61
I have never seen any politician endure what the protesters of OWS have girl_interrupted Dec 2011 #62
Great post, you should make it an OP so more people see it. Bjorn Against Dec 2011 #63
I agree. There are some wonderful posts in this thread Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #64
Thanks for all you have been doing to promote #Occupy Generic Other Dec 2011 #65
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2011 #69
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