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29. I've read plenty thank you. Put it this way, I would not be part of any prayer group

Tue Jun 17, 2014, 12:52 PM

Jun 2014

that included mostly some of the worst Republicans I claim to oppose. I would consider that to be, at the very least, hypocritical and at worst, that perhaps I am being used, to support policies that are at odds with my Party's stated beliefs. I would be extremely careful with my associations if I were in a position of power.

But then I'm not a fan of imperialism or shadowy groups that use religion as a cover for their real activities.

I don't trust religions that view themselves as 'the elite handpicked by God to set the world straight' while the little people are to be 'managed' according to 'god's will'.

Anyone who claims to be 'handpicked by god' to rule the world, sends chills up MY spine and no, I would not pray with such people even if they were telling ME I 'am right where I am supposed to be' in terms of my 'position in god's elite army'.

Frankly that should scare the hell out of any rational, thinking person.

I looked to see how many Liberals were part of this prayer group. I found none of those Dems who actually make sense on Foreign and Economic policies. Sometimes it is who is NOT included in these 'elite' organizations that is important. Didn't see Bernie Sanders praying with them, or Russ Feingold. But there are plenty of far right wing politicians included.

Nor would I pray with a 'cell' that is 'sex separated'. Men over there, ladies over here! Really?

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] bigtree Jun 2014 OP

The voice of sanity: riqster Jun 2014 #1

Or, just ANTI-HRC 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #7

It does not make an ounce of sense Peacetrain Jun 2014 #2

Your last sentence: Yes, it will come to that, and I will quit DU Hekate Jun 2014 #45

We will win Hekate. Don't give up hope just yet. nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #46

Maybe she was just 'reaching across the aisle' leftstreet Jun 2014 #3

the Senate Prayer Group was a bipartisan effort by several legislators bigtree Jun 2014 #5

This Always Struck Me, Sir, As A 'Beard The Lion In His Den' Move.... The Magistrate Jun 2014 #4

I remember enough about that time to agree with you about Hillary's decision to join bigtree Jun 2014 #6

She associated with them for 15+ years... HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #8

I Expect For The same Reason She Murdered Vince Foster, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2014 #11

Brilliant! riqster Jun 2014 #23

There you have it, Sir. The same woman accused of murder by the VRWC was.... Hekate Jun 2014 #27

The conspiracy-theorizing around here has gotten to be a bit much... n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #48

that's just an unproven meme, no matter what you've read bigtree Jun 2014 #13

Haven't many a president prayed with this group ? lumpy Jun 2014 #38

Since Eisenhower, I think bigtree Jun 2014 #51

Where did she describe the leader as her mentor? sufrommich Jun 2014 #15

She referred to him as "a mentor" on pg 168 of Living History, not "her" mentor Hekate Jun 2014 #20

Oh, another Clinton "depends what the meaning of is is" moment. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #37

why don't you show us just one physical piece of evidence that she attended ANY of the gatherings bigtree Jun 2014 #44

here. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #49

that's not physical evidence, it's a link to someone elses word bigtree Jun 2014 #50

Here is a good summary on DU. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #21

Yeah, she didn't call Coe her mentor. nt sufrommich Jun 2014 #22

It's much ado about nothing. The right wing in sufrommich Jun 2014 #9

I don't know - the article on the Family Connection is overblown but does make some good points el_bryanto Jun 2014 #10

in 1993, there were *few republicans who viewed the Clintons as 'moderates' bigtree Jun 2014 #16

Ah, that's what they *want* you to think! malthaussen Jun 2014 #12

Hillary may have only prayed with them and nothing ese but this 'cabal' is more about octoberlib Jun 2014 #14

Perhaps you should read more about this topic. The Family is about influencing those in power. sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #17

the record of actual, physical contact with the group only shows Hillary at the prayer breakfasts bigtree Jun 2014 #25

I've read plenty thank you. Put it this way, I would not be part of any prayer group sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #29

what's been reported about the extent of her involvement has no proof at all bigtree Jun 2014 #30

Who she prays with COULD have influenced her Iraq War vote, couldn't it? sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #31

so you can read her mind? bigtree Jun 2014 #33

You are confused. The Prayer Breakfast is not the Prayer Cell Hillary belonged to. And no, it isn't sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #35

you have to understand, I'm reading the same literature you are bigtree Jun 2014 #43

The Senate Prayer breakfast is the cell people keep pointing to nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #65

Yep, her public views do not mesh with the family. joshcryer Jun 2014 #61

Well beyond the annual prayer brreakfasts nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #64

Yes, its largely about political power brokering; although they also push christian values like... HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #26

The right-wing isn't actually monolithic. jeff47 Jun 2014 #18

you're utterly delusional if you believe the fellowship was attempting to take politics out of cali Jun 2014 #19

You are right cali. Hillary supports all right wing ideology boston bean Jun 2014 #24

you're still conflating participation in the prayer breakfasts with the worst of the organizers bigtree Jun 2014 #28

Where the fuck did the OP say that absurdity? joshcryer Jun 2014 #63

You're delusional if you believe it's not acceptable to speculate on why she was associating with Zorra Jun 2014 #32

you need more evidence of an association than public praying and a 1993 quote bigtree Jun 2014 #34

I'd honestly love it if you could prove to me that author/journalist Jeff Sharlet's claims Zorra Jun 2014 #41

that's not the way it works. Accusers need to provide verifiable facts, proof bigtree Jun 2014 #42

I wonder if part of the reason that she lost the 2008 nomination to Obama was because of her Zorra Jun 2014 #47

not even close, she had record votes for her in that election bigtree Jun 2014 #52

LGBT people went big for Obama because of this shit. Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #57

I'm not sure where you're finding that analysis bigtree Jun 2014 #58

The organization is nebulous and secretive as can be, pretty hard to come up with what you want TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #67

Politics, that's it. The Fellowship is a nexus of political power. joshcryer Jun 2014 #66

You're misinformed if you believe The Family is an ultra-right wing cabal hootinholler Jun 2014 #36

As soon as I saw "they openly revere Hitler, Stalin and Mao" I dismissed the "story" (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #39

Unfortunatley, the delusional will not be able to connect the dots. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #40

the right wing hates Hillary. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #53

kick & recommended. William769 Jun 2014 #54

results hrmjustin Jun 2014 #55

I was one of the 7. William769 Jun 2014 #56

I do not alert but his personal attacks are getting really bad nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #62

Of course, Hillary would never be embraced by an ultra-right wing cabal Oilwellian Jun 2014 #59

Keep digging nadinbrzezinski Jun 2014 #60