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Tommy_Carcetti

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10. Wow. Congratulations.
Thu Jun 19, 2014, 09:32 PM
Jun 2014

You just posted an article so poorly written that no individual human being wants to take credit for writing it.

At least Robert Parry's not afraid to put his name on the swill he puts out.

Okay. Let's look at this for a second. Go ahead and assume everything in the cables to be true and correct. Exactly what does it show? That the US State Department had a couple of conversations with a notable Ukrainian politician years ago? The title of the article makes it sound like Poroshenko was a paid US government employee up until the time he was elected President of Ukraine. In fact, the cables just purport that the U.S. State Department had a handful of conversations with Poroshenko. It's likely that the State Department talks all the time to all sorts of foreign politicians.

So exactly what does this mean? Did the US magically stage an election after it magically staged a coup? That's the problem here. This article starts out with the premise that there was a coup in Ukraine. There was no coup. None.That's a complete and utter fiction. Then you have an election heavily monitored by various foreign organizations and deemed to be fair and democratic. If somehow our ultimate goal was to get Poroshenko into the presidency, how'd we pull the full and fair election charade? Is OSCE also comprised of US government employees?

These are bright and shiny objects. Meant to fascinate gullible and simple minded people who are attracted by bright and shiny objects.

Here's what happened. The wonderful folks at SCG (Storm Clouds Gathering) "News" ran a word search of thousands upon thousands of Wikileaks cable documents for "Poroshenko". They happened upon this random document from 2006 apparently showing some random conversation Poronshenko had with the US State Department. They figured new Ukrainian president....US State Department.......and then they knew the tinfoil crowd who insists there was a US led coup in Ukraine will eat it up like candy. Which, looking over the responses to this post, some have.

How does this show there was a coup? Like everything else.....it doesn't.

But kudos to citing to the wonderful "news" source that is SCG News. Why, look at this wonderful article they wrote last year repeating every comical grounds for President Obama's impeachment like a Freeper at CPAC:

http://stormcloudsgathering.com/barack-obama-the-case-for-impeachment-scg-news-5152013

Yup. Those are the guys you want to be citing. Good find.

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Uh-oh! Hoping for some great entertainment from the MIC damage control crew. Zorra Jun 2014 #1
you actually believe this "reader supported "news" " drivel? snooper2 Jun 2014 #24
It's not even originally from that. It's even worse. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #26
Yeah the c.t. community JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #29
But but Putin... zeemike Jun 2014 #2
Well..one is on a "Time Out" but I think the aquaintances might be along or KoKo Jun 2014 #14
I think it's a safe bet to always assume some U.S. involvement. arcane1 Jun 2014 #3
K&R n/t Joe Shlabotnik Jun 2014 #4
Duh - the neo-cons are always exposed malaise Jun 2014 #5
I wonder if he's been getting more than minimum wage? Aldo Leopold Jun 2014 #6
sunlight, very important sunlight. NuttyFluffers Jun 2014 #7
k & r! n/t wildbilln864 Jun 2014 #8
Uh oh. elias49 Jun 2014 #9
Wow. Congratulations. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #10
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #11
I think it's clear Poroshenko is a government plant to left of Hugo Chavis. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #12
Tommy...you well know that Victoria Nuland was there happily handing out sweets KoKo Jun 2014 #13
Yes, I know all about Victoria Nuland and her cookies. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #25
Your ability to rationalize is impressive. zeemike Jun 2014 #15
Oh God - "Our Ukraine" was the name of the political party muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #20
For the thousandth time, there was no coup. No coup. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #23
^ nationalize the fed Jun 2014 #16
Ukraine President Once Agent for U.S. State Department autorank Jun 2014 #17
Behind? I know people want simple, linear answers to complex situations. cali Jun 2014 #18
Exactly. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #28
Once more example of Snowden's deciding to leak about our international spying, which is a betrayal, pnwmom Jun 2014 #19
"Our Ukraine" is a political party: struggle4progress Jun 2014 #21
"The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour" nationalize the fed Jun 2014 #22
Note no mention of Ukraine. There's a reason for that. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2014 #27
Recommend read... KoKo Jun 2014 #30
No surprise at all. We have puppets all over Europe now. And look at the mess they sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #31
This site has Dick Cheney as one of their most popular, DUH, RW crappers. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #32
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