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Tue Jun 24, 2014, 06:21 PM

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Ken Burch Jun 2014 OP

I'm sure that was part of Grandma's thought process KamaAina Jun 2014 #1

oh bullshite elehhhhna Jun 2014 #2

worst op of the day. maybe the week- though it's still young. cali Jun 2014 #8

A righteous grift? (nt) TacoD Jun 2014 #3

Absolutely. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #7

so you justify bad shit because of bad shit. gad. cali Jun 2014 #10

I justify a minor bit of moral ambiguity driven by desperation. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #42

there is no moral ambiguity here... ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2014 #218

No ambiguity at all if KFC did not do what they said karynnj Jun 2014 #238

employees of KFC who were attacked at part of the .001% ? JI7 Jun 2014 #14

How do you feel about shoplifting from Wal-Mart? Not a rhetorical question, I'm really curious (nt) TacoD Jun 2014 #18

I feel it's pointless, actually. Nothing there worth stealing. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #29

they have food, water, soap, diapers, many things that are basic needs JI7 Jun 2014 #36

But are they organic free trade diapers? FrodosPet Jun 2014 #48

LOL ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2014 #194

A "fetish" out of "law and order" and "property"? bluesbassman Jun 2014 #55

Not anarchy, but humane exceptions Ken Burch Jun 2014 #69

Not seeing where you would make the demarcation line for "humane exceptions". bluesbassman Jun 2014 #92

And when "law and order" and "property" stand in the way of basic humanity? nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #111

We don't even know if there WAS a hoax, at this point. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #116

Yes, we do know there was a hoax. nt raccoon Jun 2014 #209

Give me a break. tammywammy Jun 2014 #4

The working class people who work geek tragedy Jun 2014 #5

That's pretty much how I feel about it. Innocent workers were harmed, badly. nt Hekate Jun 2014 #66

Not to mention the people that gave out of the goodness of their hearts Aerows Jun 2014 #94

Seriously? Wow. That is so morally bankrupt I don't know what to say to you. cali Jun 2014 #6

Why? It's just regaining a tiny bit of what's been stolen. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #12

It has nothing whatsoever to do with "feeling sorry for a corporate giant" cali Jun 2014 #27

I've added the following to the OP: Ken Burch Jun 2014 #38

so why not just say insurance was unwilling to pay ? and don't tell me they were afraid JI7 Jun 2014 #41

"...there are times when simple compassion has to come first." nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #45

I feel bad for them as well. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #63

You're probably right about that. Pretty awful situation all around. n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #67

By stealing money from people they duped using a fraudulent story? Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #32

A lot of individuals who are not 1%ers gave money to the family onenote Jun 2014 #39

Would they have done so, if not for the publicity? nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #46

Of course not, which is why the OP is full of crap when he says this was a "victimless" hoax onenote Jun 2014 #98

Would you feel better if the poor kid had to go through life with a mangled face nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #107

Some here feel that would be more "righteous", I think. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #119

Of course not. But that doesn't justify misleading people into giving money onenote Jun 2014 #141

We also don't know that any misleading was done. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #148

Oh please! TorchTheWitch Jun 2014 #198

no, it's not justified, why didn't they tell the name of the insurance company refusing to pay JI7 Jun 2014 #9

They could have feared retribution. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #20

like retribution against employees at KFC who were attacked ? JI7 Jun 2014 #24

bullshit Niceguy1 Jun 2014 #11

Wrong. They gain billions from us. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #16

execpt for KFC Niceguy1 Jun 2014 #23

Except for the KFC employees who were geek tragedy Jun 2014 #26

dog. shit. The employee they accused of asking them to leave was a victim. duh. cali Jun 2014 #28

There is nothing sanctimonious ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #203

How I wish I could rec this post. opiate69 Jun 2014 #230

DU gets stranger and stranger ... 1000words Jun 2014 #13

I'm very glad the family is getting money (more than 100K so far) but not fair to KFC Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 #62

Same here. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #136

I'm not TorchTheWitch Jun 2014 #199

i also hope all the monry goes to the kid Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 #237

heres the thing about absolutes like " no other choice" and " nobody here can truly say" GusBob Jun 2014 #15

Same thing with "the law is the law" n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #143

and fraud is fraud GusBob Jun 2014 #187

Wait...wuh? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #17

I wouldn't. Right is right. Stealing and fraudulent actions are wrong. nt el_bryanto Jun 2014 #19

are you this guy ? JI7 Jun 2014 #21

That vid right there was a doozy. Jamaal510 Jun 2014 #234

his cause was just getting attention for himself and thinking he was going to come off as some hero JI7 Jun 2014 #240

I so wanted to believe that... Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #22

We don't even know if there WAS a hoax, at this point. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #131

Well the family can start by reconciling the big-assed gaps in their official story Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #201

See post 203 (great post, by the way.) "There is none so blind as he who will not see." nt raccoon Jun 2014 #210

You have to be kidding me. Aerows Jun 2014 #25

No kidding. this op really stands out- as a pile of stinking shit. cali Jun 2014 #31

You're defending a Victorian definition of right and wrong Ken Burch Jun 2014 #43

It's not just a "Victorian" definition of right and wrong FBaggins Jun 2014 #68

My substitute is not applying sanctimonious "moral" judgments to desperate people. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #78

The day that most of us get so desperate Aerows Jun 2014 #93

People sent in donations by their own free will Ken Burch Jun 2014 #97

If I tell people a pack of lies that Aerows Jun 2014 #103

True Ken Burch Jun 2014 #108

Don't ever ask me to donate to your charity Aerows Jun 2014 #118

This isn't about me Ken Burch Jun 2014 #125

They were duped! Dude, drop the shovel and stop digging. Throd Jun 2014 #104

We don't know that. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #127

No they didn't FBaggins Jun 2014 #150

And again, we don't even know that any fraud occurred at all. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #168

For purposes of this discussion... sure we do. FBaggins Jun 2014 #174

And that bears no relation to rational concepts of right and wrong. FBaggins Jun 2014 #151

But this is need...not want. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #165

So you say... FBaggins Jun 2014 #175

uh, no. far older than that. cali Jun 2014 #142

No, what I'm saying is don't be sanctimonious about the desperate and the dispossessed Ken Burch Jun 2014 #146

I've been desperate and dispossessed. Like having to go to the food shelf cali Jun 2014 #152

I meant to say earlier that I put you in a different category, due to your personal situation. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #167

My personal situation has thankfully changed for the better cali Jun 2014 #179

You got that right. Shrike47 Jun 2014 #89

the irony being not one poster agrees with the OP yet he claims all would GusBob Jun 2014 #37

You forgot the sracasm thing-y... joeybee12 Jun 2014 #30

At least if she gets her face fixed, she might have some kind of future. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #51

Her face never looked that bad to me... joeybee12 Jun 2014 #57

Agreed. It wasn't nearly as horrific as I'd initially expected. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #60

there is that. If nothing else, the dogs need to be put down. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #65

"nobody here can truly say that, given the same situation, we wouldn't do the same thing" etherealtruth Jun 2014 #33

"Taking advantage" of a billion-dollar corporation! How terrible! nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #54

What if that man had a large starving family - would it be wrong to steal a petronius Jun 2014 #71

Because the majesty of the law is more important than whether or not people starve to death... nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #77

Actually, the point had more to do with strained rationalizations petronius Jun 2014 #87

Fair enough. But "illegal" will never automatically equal "immoral" when the system of laws nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #90

On that general point I agree - 'legal' and 'right' are not synonymous. It petronius Jun 2014 #147

I hadn't made any literary references. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #105

I took nmnm08's reference to a bread thief as the literary reference; I didn't mean petronius Jun 2014 #161

Without laws and standards of honorable conduct among civilized people FrodosPet Jun 2014 #154

I'm in favor of alleviating suffering, period. Through strictly legal means or otherwise. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #160

Did you just turn Jean Valjean into a cigarette smuggler? n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #83

Darn! You beat me to it!!!! Coventina Jun 2014 #96

They bilked regualr folk via their web site etherealtruth Jun 2014 #95

Is it "right" for a little girl to suffer permanent disfigurement due to lack of funds? nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #109

... and your proof of this is ...? etherealtruth Jun 2014 #114

Nobody likes being "bilked." That itself is not in question. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #124

I agree with an unjust system .... etherealtruth Jun 2014 #130

Can't disagree with that. I'm just glad Victoria is (hopefully) getting the care she needs. n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #132

We don't even know if there was a "grift" Ken Burch Jun 2014 #129

Does it? etherealtruth Jun 2014 #137

How much money did you donate to her? onenote Jun 2014 #145

Oh look, it's the "You can't complain about poverty unless you sell your house!" argument. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #156

Why not give to her now? onenote Jun 2014 #159

Taking advantage of ordinary people Aerows Jun 2014 #99

Point taken. But at least we know now that the girl will be properly taken care of nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #113

Have the funds been used for treatment? etherealtruth Jun 2014 #117

I certainly hope so. If not, I'll be pretty pissed myself. n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #122

A plastic surgeon offered to donate his/her services etherealtruth Jun 2014 #126

Contrary to the impression I may have given, I'm not enthusiastic about what the family has done. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #135

Well-put. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #140

And people that gave out of the goodness of their hearts Aerows Jun 2014 #121

Which would be unfortunate, to say the least. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #138

There is no such thing as a justified hoax. Coventina Jun 2014 #34

Except in the name of entertainment, ala the original "War of the Worlds" radio broadcast... Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #44

For the lulz? (nt) TacoD Jun 2014 #49

War of the Worlds wasn't a hoax, it was a radio program... DesMoinesDem Jun 2014 #70

With that type of logic, what can't you justify? Throd Jun 2014 #35

A "justified hoax"???? Takket Jun 2014 #40

They got money from folks who can ill afford to donate. Kaleva Jun 2014 #47

Ken, you appear to be out of your mind. Jenoch Jun 2014 #50

Uh...for "slavery"? Ken Burch Jun 2014 #80

Slander Jenoch Jun 2014 #157

self-delete DeadLetterOffice Jun 2014 #172

Slavery, slander...obvious someone is out of their mind. Rex Jun 2014 #239

Wow, what a totally failed thread. Totally incorrect in every way. n-t Logical Jun 2014 #52

Theft by swindle. MineralMan Jun 2014 #53

sorry, this assertion is absolutely ridiculous Skittles Jun 2014 #56

Yes, they were dishonest. And yes, it's too bad KFC employees took the brunt of it. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #58

Yeah, fuck over some poor franchise owner, cost him revenue, maybe -- had not this situation been MADem Jun 2014 #59

You said it. nt Hekate Jun 2014 #74

Thanks MADem for tellin' it so Cha Jun 2014 #197

Anytime. MADem Jun 2014 #221

You are losing BADLY here! FrodosPet Jun 2014 #61

So true Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #195

This post is justification for bringing back the unrec... n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2014 #64

How much are you sending them, Ken? MineralMan Jun 2014 #72

I'd like to know that myself. nt Hekate Jun 2014 #76

Libertarians. Feh! MineralMan Jun 2014 #79

KFC didn't donate to the girl's fund. Innocent duped citizens gave that money NightWatcher Jun 2014 #73

The girl does actually have facial injuries Ken Burch Jun 2014 #85

Doubling down, Ken? Really? MineralMan Jun 2014 #91

No, simply pointing out that your example doesn't work. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #123

Really? Her life would be over? That is way over the top. Coventina Jun 2014 #177

And how, in any way, is KFC responsible for that? MineralMan Jun 2014 #211

I'm sick and don't have insurance, who should I defraud? NightWatcher Jun 2014 #101

No reply from the OP-why not? Boomerproud Jun 2014 #112

Make sure you use a child as a prop. More lucrative. Throd Jun 2014 #128

Do whatever you have to do to survive. I won't judge you so long as no one is nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #139

So I can come in your house and clean out your refrigerator and pantry? FrodosPet Jun 2014 #155

It's not about having free reign to break the law. That's not the point. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #164

You don't think the crime of "theft by fraud" is a real crime? It's just as real as me stealing MADem Jun 2014 #223

heh. Righteous rant, MADem, right down to the last paragraph. Don't rein those feelings in. nt Hekate Jun 2014 #231

Hee! I really hate it when good, tender-hearted people get taken in. It's one of those things that MADem Jun 2014 #243

Okay, now that I've had more time to think about it, my post was ill-advised. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #241

KFC donated $30,000 and said they could keep it whether TorchTheWitch Jun 2014 #200

KFC Pledged $30,000 erpowers Jun 2014 #213

Fighting fire with napalm... deathrind Jun 2014 #75

You're assuming they're telling the truth about the denial of insurance Codeine Jun 2014 #81

No, I would not behave like that. And now we know Ken Burch is a liar and a thief. Shrike47 Jun 2014 #82

Uh no, you don't know that. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #100

What the hell is going on here? Archae Jun 2014 #84

And when a select few accrue billions and billions of dollars while millions of their countrymen nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #115

Ok, sure- $135,000 swindled from caring citizens is "justified"... richmwill Jun 2014 #86

Are you serious? Or seriously wasted? ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2014 #88

If I rob a bank and give the money to a children's hospital, does that make it justified? davidn3600 Jun 2014 #102

Maybe it does. Why is money so sacred when human life isn't? n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #120

What KFC thing? bluestateguy Jun 2014 #106

Family Claimed They Were Asked To Leave erpowers Jun 2014 #214

Sorry Ken, not justified. BillZBubb Jun 2014 #110

I am glad that this child is getting help and it has not been proven either way. Hoaxes are not hrmjustin Jun 2014 #133

Snowden fan? itsrobert Jun 2014 #134

Fuck that shit. TacoD Jun 2014 #163

but they didn't get any money from the big corporation, did they? fishwax Jun 2014 #144

Actually, they got 30K from KFC n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #149

I wasn't aware of that, thanks n/t fishwax Jun 2014 #170

Cosmetic surgery is never covered by medical insurance meadowlark5 Jun 2014 #153

Getting the "cosmetic" part of reconstructive surgery approved is a long haul process Hekate Jun 2014 #166

What they did wasn't right. The fact that they had to resort to it is even worse. n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #182

"Had to" is not the operative phrase, sadly enough. nt Hekate Jun 2014 #188

"What the hell kind of country would this be..." nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #180

It's pretty bad for a lot of people meadowlark5 Jun 2014 #190

I'm a Medicaid caseworker. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #196

+++++++1! nt MADem Jun 2014 #225

My sympathies are with that poor child who was attacked Peacetrain Jun 2014 #158

I can only hope that the OP is a hoax Android3.14 Jun 2014 #162

So you're saying that, in your world....... WillowTree Jun 2014 #169

Ridiculous. book_worm Jun 2014 #171

What has "Big Chicken" done that deserves the righting of a wrong? Generic Brad Jun 2014 #173

Ummmm... no. Squinch Jun 2014 #176

Is it going to put KFC out of business? No. LadyHawkAZ Jun 2014 #178

I thought this had to be satire. Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #181

Shows you how desperate things have gotten in this country, I suppose. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #183

I'm not an expert on the story, but I think the problem started when the grandparents let their Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #184

I absolutely agree on that point. Terrible situation that could have been avoided nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #186

Can someone provide a link....... WillowTree Jun 2014 #185

that only came from the family TorchTheWitch Jun 2014 #235

Gotcha. Thanks much for the info. WillowTree Jun 2014 #236

I've said it before and I'll say it again... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #189

As others have said, no it's not justified mythology Jun 2014 #191

No Alex P Notkeaton Jun 2014 #192

Yeahhhh, maaaaan ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2014 #193

Sure, and when the family buys an SUV with the money donated dilby Jun 2014 #202

I would practically guarantee that. alphafemale Jun 2014 #208

Doctors Offered Free Medical Care erpowers Jun 2014 #222

You really have to be kidding, right? OwnedByCats Jun 2014 #204

Yeah! Fuck right and wrong... ileus Jun 2014 #205

FFS... SidDithers Jun 2014 #206

I witnessed a woman trying to pull a grift once. alphafemale Jun 2014 #207

The Hoax Was Not Justified erpowers Jun 2014 #212

how much money did you send them?? cbdo2007 Jun 2014 #215

The poster was asked that upthread. Surprisingly (not) he never replied. Coventina Jun 2014 #216

pure horseshit... ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2014 #217

Hi there! Nice to see you! Coventina Jun 2014 #219

If the parents lied they will likely be charged. I hope they didn't. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #220

Good GAWD. Texasgal Jun 2014 #224

are you an anarchist? ecstatic Jun 2014 #226

It looks like the majority have utterly rejected your premise Savannahmann Jun 2014 #227

That's an interesting idea ecstatic Jun 2014 #228

All things can change. Savannahmann Jun 2014 #233

I certainly think it can be a lot more nuanced than simply "ripping people off is okay." nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #242

Excuse me, Mr. Burch…. madaboutharry Jun 2014 #229

Excuse me... pipi_k Jun 2014 #232

I'M GOING TO SELF-DELETE JUST TO LOCK THIS THREAD MYSELF. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #244