The ACA does not remove the profit motive. (Reply #3)

In the discussion thread: Two years ago today, America’s Profit-Driven Health Care system killed my only son. [View all]

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Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:22 AM

alarimer (16,245 posts)

3. The ACA does not remove the profit motive.

It will not stop those things from happenings (the dragging the feet for payment, the initial denials that always seem to happen).

Since this person did not really go into details, it's hard to say whether the ACA would have helped or not.

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165 replies	Author	Time	Post
Two years ago today, America’s Profit-Driven Health Care system killed my only son. [View all]	riqster	Jun 2014	OP
Well fuck ...	CountAllVotes	Jun 2014	#1
please consider your criticism.	Anansi1171	Jun 2014	#4
You can't directly tell someone on DU to STFU. You have to do it more	ChisolmTrailDem	Jun 2014	#7
You are correct, I was out of line. sigh-nt	Anansi1171	Jun 2014	#13
No worries. =) Many is the time it has poured from my fingertips and I've had to back up, lol. nt	ChisolmTrailDem	Jun 2014	#16
dup	Skittles	Jun 2014	#64
yes, like sending them a truck	Skittles	Jun 2014	#65
I suppose you want the blogger to also change his blog name and domain? You know, the	ChisolmTrailDem	Jun 2014	#5
I hope you never have to bury one of your children.	riqster	Jun 2014	#8
Me too.	Scarsdale	Jun 2014	#21
I am so sorry for your loss.	riqster	Jun 2014	#22
i'm so sorry for your loss.	barbtries	Jun 2014	#32
Scarsdale...	freshwest	Jun 2014	#45
So sorry for your loss. THIS is something the ACA might have helped	Doctor_J	Jun 2014	#51
It was worse than being in debt, back then they would not even have treated him without payment	classykaren	Jun 2014	#153
Same in Ohio.	riqster	Jun 2014	#162
so sorry for losing your son	riverbendviewgal	Jun 2014	#139
Wth good reason	malaise	Jun 2014	#39
Thank you.	riqster	Jun 2014	#41
Here's a movie rec for you: "The Boondock Saints."	FSogol	Jun 2014	#10
Seriously? Criticizing the overuse of fuck in an angry,frustrated rant?	Gormy Cuss	Jun 2014	#23
Right on.	easttexaslefty	Jun 2014	#71
My thoughts exactly.	Laffy Kat	Jun 2014	#136
That's your concern?	LondonReign2	Jun 2014	#26
Way to identify the crux of the issue.	Orrex	Jun 2014	#27
oh for fucks sake....	mike_c	Jun 2014	#57
if you lost your child	MFM008	Jun 2014	#60
Ah the puritan brigade misses the issue	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2014	#76
Purity is the only issue.... n/t	xocet	Jun 2014	#78
......................	Warren DeMontague	Jun 2014	#87
Well fucking, fuck, fuck, fuck.	dballance	Jun 2014	#113
Sorry for your losses.	riqster	Jun 2014	#120
Thanks.	dballance	Jun 2014	#144
you're supposed to be counting all the votes	hfojvt	Jun 2014	#114
wow, talk about insensitive!	Duppers	Jun 2014	#115
Get back to us after one of your children is neglected to death	Warpy	Jun 2014	#134
It is difficult for me to read something when every other word is ...	CountAllVotes	Jun 2014	#160
.	BlancheSplanchnik	Jun 2014	#143
...	Mnemosyne	Jun 2014	#2
Thanks.	riqster	Jun 2014	#11
The ACA does not remove the profit motive.	alarimer	Jun 2014	#3
The ACA helped, by keeping my boy on my insurance for longer.	riqster	Jun 2014	#6
+1 The ACA entrenches the profit motive by ensuring that subsidies are paid for by taxpayers	woo me with science	Jun 2014	#19
I agree. And one of the big problems is how doctors are no longer trained in the	truedelphi	Jun 2014	#80
If you transform doctors into technicians who merely follow insurance company flowcharts for care,	woo me with science	Jun 2014	#83
The ACA helped get me an insurance plan my family and I could afford.	nomorenomore08	Jun 2014	#112
Exactly right.	riqster	Jun 2014	#121
P.S. I can't believe the poster who chastised you for using "fuck" too many times or whatever	nomorenomore08	Jun 2014	#140
That poster has been taken to the woodshed by a fair few DUers,	riqster	Jun 2014	#147
I am so sorry for your loss. =(	ChisolmTrailDem	Jun 2014	#9
Thanks. I hope that my testimony can help a tiny bit to wake people up.	riqster	Jun 2014	#14
Heartbreaking. So sorry.	JaneyVee	Jun 2014	#12
Thank you.	riqster	Jun 2014	#15
Here is a typical Repube response (from elsewhere):	riqster	Jun 2014	#17
So many reasons to hate the right wingnuts.	Enthusiast	Jun 2014	#92
+1	johnnyreb	Jun 2014	#96
Thanks. Kudos to your folks.	riqster	Jun 2014	#99
I`m so sorry for your loss.	democrank	Jun 2014	#18
Thank you.	riqster	Jun 2014	#24
ACA forces everyone to purchase from these same bad actors (for profit insurers) nt	Romulox	Jun 2014	#20
Incorrect.	riqster	Jun 2014	#28
OK. But the ACA also GUARANTEES fat margins for Aetna, the company you singled out...	Romulox	Jun 2014	#29
It also requires them to spend more on care, and less on denying care.	riqster	Jun 2014	#34
Every red cent that Aetna makes, they make from denying care. That's how they work. nt	Romulox	Jun 2014	#36
OK, so you are against the ACA? Yes or No?	riqster	Jun 2014	#37
The ACA LIMITS their margins	yodermon	Jun 2014	#74
Very good point.	riqster	Jun 2014	#84
And, a big chunk of the 20% goes for administrative costs, marketing, maintaining systems, etc.	Hoyt	Jun 2014	#101
No, it restrains those margins	frazzled	Jun 2014	#111
I don't understand	FBaggins	Jun 2014	#81
The ACA forced Aetna to cover him.	riqster	Jun 2014	#85
Yeah, it took the real problem (for-profit insurers) and locked them in	Doctor_J	Jun 2014	#46
Crap. The ACA forced insurers to cover my kid.	riqster	Jun 2014	#53
I'm sorry for your loss...	Blanks	Jun 2014	#25
Thanks.	riqster	Jun 2014	#31
What a horrible ordeal	Orrex	Jun 2014	#30
Thank you.	riqster	Jun 2014	#33
100%. I don't talk about the death and disability in my family that would NOT have been if Obama	freshwest	Jun 2014	#35
Thanks. Sorry you had to deal with such an event.	riqster	Jun 2014	#38
Still crying from your post. There are no words to end the pain, but your words will save lives.	freshwest	Jun 2014	#47
I hope so. That is why I wrote them.	riqster	Jun 2014	#50
Err...no one is telling you that your kid should have died sooner	Doctor_J	Jun 2014	#48
You want an actual answer? People who would exploit this story and attempt to preach at the author	Bluenorthwest	Jun 2014	#52
People who bash the ACA after I credit it for keeping my kid alive longer	riqster	Jun 2014	#55
I'm so sorry .	cate94	Jun 2014	#40
Thank you.	riqster	Jun 2014	#42
The ACA won't help this much	Doctor_J	Jun 2014	#43
If you are going to us Bernie as avatar, you should post more accurate information	Bluenorthwest	Jun 2014	#49
I allowed for those in my post	Doctor_J	Jun 2014	#54
But it is still profit over lives based healthcare	FreakinDJ	Jun 2014	#56
That's my only point in this thread, which I will now leave	Doctor_J	Jun 2014	#61
What rot your subject line is:	riqster	Jun 2014	#58
You are exactly right	Number23	Jun 2014	#142
Nonstop complaining helps what exactly?	IronLionZion	Jun 2014	#97
A worthy rant. Thanks.	byronius	Jun 2014	#44
Thanks. I rarely drop f-bombs. Today, I am f-carpet-bombing.	riqster	Jun 2014	#67
K & R for righteous anger.	davidthegnome	Jun 2014	#59
Thank you. And yes, we need to make it better.	riqster	Jun 2014	#62
Sorry for your loss	Demsrule86	Jun 2014	#63
My condolences.	riqster	Jun 2014	#66
I don't think I've heard anything good about Aetna-	KrazyinKS	Jun 2014	#68
Oh yeah. Five of us, all in poor health ourselves, spent years hassling with those motherfuckers.	riqster	Jun 2014	#70
You can address this letter to many people on this site.	iandhr	Jun 2014	#69
S'truth.	riqster	Jun 2014	#73
No way I could read that and not rec it.	BootinUp	Jun 2014	#72
Thank you.	riqster	Jun 2014	#75
I damn well understand so well his many fuck yous-the State of Washington let my daughter die for $3	Stargazer99	Jun 2014	#77
I get those calls too. I have refused to pay a goddamned dime.	riqster	Jun 2014	#79
rigster, are you Mr. Blunt and Cranky? nt	tblue37	Jun 2014	#82
Kick & Rec	Warren DeMontague	Jun 2014	#86
Thanks.	riqster	Jun 2014	#93
And this is why the fuck we need UNIVERSAL fucking HEALTHCARE!	RoccoR5955	Jun 2014	#88
The ACA wasn't all bad.	riqster	Jun 2014	#90
Sad fact is, if it had been Medicare, chances are Medicare would have forced discharge that	Hoyt	Jun 2014	#102
Possible. But eliminating the profit motive would still help.	riqster	Jun 2014	#148
Actually the decision to cut off hospital funding would be made by an	Hoyt	Jun 2014	#155
Rigster, I am so sorry about your loss, and you are totally correct!	LongTomH	Jun 2014	#89
Thanks. We need to get to national health care.	riqster	Jun 2014	#91
Kicked and recommended!	Enthusiast	Jun 2014	#94
That is a lot of people getting flipped off.	riqster	Jun 2014	#95
Sorry for your loss, K + R	IronLionZion	Jun 2014	#98
Thank you.	riqster	Jun 2014	#100
And here's a big "fuck you" to Squatt Wanker for denying Medicaid to tens of thousands of citizens..	Scuba	Jun 2014	#103
Yeah, and the Ohio repubes have tried their best to do the same.	riqster	Jun 2014	#122
I wish I had the right words to say but there is too much unnecessary death, I am so sorry. n/t	Jefferson23	Jun 2014	#104
Thanks.	riqster	Jun 2014	#124
We live in a capitalist society.	DeSwiss	Jun 2014	#105
True. Health and profit cannot coexist.	riqster	Jun 2014	#125
I'm so sorry	jimlup	Jun 2014	#106
Thank you.	riqster	Jun 2014	#126
riqster, I am so very very sorry.	Raine1967	Jun 2014	#107
Thank you. I have (as have others) been pushing for reform for years now.	riqster	Jun 2014	#108
Yes we will.	Raine1967	Jun 2014	#146
I am not offended by the F-bombs. I am offended by the so-called healthcare in	LoisB	Jun 2014	#109
Yeah, they are evil.	riqster	Jun 2014	#127
Well said. nt	valerief	Jun 2014	#110
Thank you.	riqster	Jun 2014	#128
Please accept my deepest condolences for your loss.	greatlaurel	Jun 2014	#116
Word up, and thanks.	riqster	Jun 2014	#130
They killed my 3 1/2 year old son too!	Dustlawyer	Jun 2014	#117
Oh my God...so sorry for your loss. You offer good advice, for us all. n/t	Jefferson23	Jun 2014	#129
Dylan Andrew, 3/19/92 - 6/25/12	riqster	Jun 2014	#131
If only the insurance companies were not allowed to kill people	Dragonfli	Jun 2014	#118
It was two years ago, so yes, some provisions hadn't kicked in yet.	riqster	Jun 2014	#132
A health-care system based purely on greed and profit is but a microcosm of America in its	indepat	Jun 2014	#119
No argument from here.	riqster	Jun 2014	#133
Sweet riqster..	Cha	Jun 2014	#123
Thanks Cha.	riqster	Jun 2014	#135
..	Cha	Jun 2014	#141
Horrific.. I am so, so very sorry. And angry. Righteous rant nt	riderinthestorm	Jun 2014	#137
Thanks.	riqster	Jun 2014	#149
My 26 year old son died in 1999	riverbendviewgal	Jun 2014	#138
Sigh. Mark Twain was right about families.	riqster	Jun 2014	#150
so sorry for your loss	Locrian	Jun 2014	#161
Sounds like yet another bit of Fox cut-and-paste bilge	riqster	Jun 2014	#163
I agree	riverbendviewgal	Jun 2014	#164
We have learned my son's death was due to gross medical negligence	Oilwellian	Jun 2014	#145
Thanks. Please accept my condolences for your loss.	riqster	Jun 2014	#151
I am so sorry just reading this tears me up.	classykaren	Jun 2014	#152
Thank you.	riqster	Jun 2014	#154
So sorry for your loss.	raouldukelives	Jun 2014	#156
It's worse than that: many people don't know that they are thus invested.	riqster	Jun 2014	#157
This is such a horrible story. I will never	cntrygrl	Jun 2014	#158
The nation has always been a bit of a contradiction	riqster	Jun 2014	#159
I agree.	cntrygrl	Jul 2014	#165

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