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223. You don't think the crime of "theft by fraud" is a real crime? It's just as real as me stealing

Wed Jun 25, 2014, 10:30 AM

Jun 2014

your credit card and having one helluva weekend in Vegas. Grifter Grannie stole money with a big fat honking LIE of a story out of the pockets of ordinary, hard working people. She has provided ZERO proof that her unnamed "insurance company" has refused in any way to treat this child.

Yet you're taking the word of a thief, and ready to fuck over a company that had absolutely NOTHING TO DO with this child's situation--nothing at all.

This is not about "billionaires." It wasn't BILLIONAIRES that Grannie grifted. No billionaires were harmed by her criminal deceit. She fucked over working stiffs with big hearts with her big honking lies.

That's just NOT OK. Your priorities and your morality and your logic when it comes to this matter are just messed up.

And, for the umpteenth time, it's REIN--free REIN. As in "letting the horses have FREE REIN." I know some people think the REIGNING royal families look like horses, but the term has nothing to do with royalty. Yes, small point--but it's irritating as hell to read it over and over here. We're Democrats, we're better educated than that.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Ken Burch Jun 2014 OP

I'm sure that was part of Grandma's thought process KamaAina Jun 2014 #1

oh bullshite elehhhhna Jun 2014 #2

worst op of the day. maybe the week- though it's still young. cali Jun 2014 #8

A righteous grift? (nt) TacoD Jun 2014 #3

Absolutely. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #7

so you justify bad shit because of bad shit. gad. cali Jun 2014 #10

I justify a minor bit of moral ambiguity driven by desperation. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #42

there is no moral ambiguity here... ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2014 #218

No ambiguity at all if KFC did not do what they said karynnj Jun 2014 #238

employees of KFC who were attacked at part of the .001% ? JI7 Jun 2014 #14

How do you feel about shoplifting from Wal-Mart? Not a rhetorical question, I'm really curious (nt) TacoD Jun 2014 #18

I feel it's pointless, actually. Nothing there worth stealing. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #29

they have food, water, soap, diapers, many things that are basic needs JI7 Jun 2014 #36

But are they organic free trade diapers? FrodosPet Jun 2014 #48

LOL ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2014 #194

A "fetish" out of "law and order" and "property"? bluesbassman Jun 2014 #55

Not anarchy, but humane exceptions Ken Burch Jun 2014 #69

Not seeing where you would make the demarcation line for "humane exceptions". bluesbassman Jun 2014 #92

And when "law and order" and "property" stand in the way of basic humanity? nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #111

We don't even know if there WAS a hoax, at this point. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #116

Yes, we do know there was a hoax. nt raccoon Jun 2014 #209

Give me a break. tammywammy Jun 2014 #4

The working class people who work geek tragedy Jun 2014 #5

That's pretty much how I feel about it. Innocent workers were harmed, badly. nt Hekate Jun 2014 #66

Not to mention the people that gave out of the goodness of their hearts Aerows Jun 2014 #94

Seriously? Wow. That is so morally bankrupt I don't know what to say to you. cali Jun 2014 #6

Why? It's just regaining a tiny bit of what's been stolen. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #12

It has nothing whatsoever to do with "feeling sorry for a corporate giant" cali Jun 2014 #27

I've added the following to the OP: Ken Burch Jun 2014 #38

so why not just say insurance was unwilling to pay ? and don't tell me they were afraid JI7 Jun 2014 #41

"...there are times when simple compassion has to come first." nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #45

I feel bad for them as well. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #63

You're probably right about that. Pretty awful situation all around. n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #67

By stealing money from people they duped using a fraudulent story? Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #32

A lot of individuals who are not 1%ers gave money to the family onenote Jun 2014 #39

Would they have done so, if not for the publicity? nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #46

Of course not, which is why the OP is full of crap when he says this was a "victimless" hoax onenote Jun 2014 #98

Would you feel better if the poor kid had to go through life with a mangled face nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #107

Some here feel that would be more "righteous", I think. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #119

Of course not. But that doesn't justify misleading people into giving money onenote Jun 2014 #141

We also don't know that any misleading was done. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #148

Oh please! TorchTheWitch Jun 2014 #198

no, it's not justified, why didn't they tell the name of the insurance company refusing to pay JI7 Jun 2014 #9

They could have feared retribution. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #20

like retribution against employees at KFC who were attacked ? JI7 Jun 2014 #24

bullshit Niceguy1 Jun 2014 #11

Wrong. They gain billions from us. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #16

execpt for KFC Niceguy1 Jun 2014 #23

Except for the KFC employees who were geek tragedy Jun 2014 #26

dog. shit. The employee they accused of asking them to leave was a victim. duh. cali Jun 2014 #28

There is nothing sanctimonious ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #203

How I wish I could rec this post. opiate69 Jun 2014 #230

DU gets stranger and stranger ... 1000words Jun 2014 #13

I'm very glad the family is getting money (more than 100K so far) but not fair to KFC Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 #62

Same here. Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #136

I'm not TorchTheWitch Jun 2014 #199

i also hope all the monry goes to the kid Liberal_in_LA Jun 2014 #237

heres the thing about absolutes like " no other choice" and " nobody here can truly say" GusBob Jun 2014 #15

Same thing with "the law is the law" n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #143

and fraud is fraud GusBob Jun 2014 #187

Wait...wuh? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #17

I wouldn't. Right is right. Stealing and fraudulent actions are wrong. nt el_bryanto Jun 2014 #19

are you this guy ? JI7 Jun 2014 #21

That vid right there was a doozy. Jamaal510 Jun 2014 #234

his cause was just getting attention for himself and thinking he was going to come off as some hero JI7 Jun 2014 #240

I so wanted to believe that... Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #22

We don't even know if there WAS a hoax, at this point. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #131

Well the family can start by reconciling the big-assed gaps in their official story Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #201

See post 203 (great post, by the way.) "There is none so blind as he who will not see." nt raccoon Jun 2014 #210

You have to be kidding me. Aerows Jun 2014 #25

No kidding. this op really stands out- as a pile of stinking shit. cali Jun 2014 #31

You're defending a Victorian definition of right and wrong Ken Burch Jun 2014 #43

It's not just a "Victorian" definition of right and wrong FBaggins Jun 2014 #68

My substitute is not applying sanctimonious "moral" judgments to desperate people. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #78

The day that most of us get so desperate Aerows Jun 2014 #93

People sent in donations by their own free will Ken Burch Jun 2014 #97

If I tell people a pack of lies that Aerows Jun 2014 #103

True Ken Burch Jun 2014 #108

Don't ever ask me to donate to your charity Aerows Jun 2014 #118

This isn't about me Ken Burch Jun 2014 #125

They were duped! Dude, drop the shovel and stop digging. Throd Jun 2014 #104

We don't know that. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #127

No they didn't FBaggins Jun 2014 #150

And again, we don't even know that any fraud occurred at all. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #168

For purposes of this discussion... sure we do. FBaggins Jun 2014 #174

And that bears no relation to rational concepts of right and wrong. FBaggins Jun 2014 #151

But this is need...not want. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #165

So you say... FBaggins Jun 2014 #175

uh, no. far older than that. cali Jun 2014 #142

No, what I'm saying is don't be sanctimonious about the desperate and the dispossessed Ken Burch Jun 2014 #146

I've been desperate and dispossessed. Like having to go to the food shelf cali Jun 2014 #152

I meant to say earlier that I put you in a different category, due to your personal situation. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #167

My personal situation has thankfully changed for the better cali Jun 2014 #179

You got that right. Shrike47 Jun 2014 #89

the irony being not one poster agrees with the OP yet he claims all would GusBob Jun 2014 #37

You forgot the sracasm thing-y... joeybee12 Jun 2014 #30

At least if she gets her face fixed, she might have some kind of future. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #51

Her face never looked that bad to me... joeybee12 Jun 2014 #57

Agreed. It wasn't nearly as horrific as I'd initially expected. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #60

there is that. If nothing else, the dogs need to be put down. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #65

"nobody here can truly say that, given the same situation, we wouldn't do the same thing" etherealtruth Jun 2014 #33

"Taking advantage" of a billion-dollar corporation! How terrible! nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #54

What if that man had a large starving family - would it be wrong to steal a petronius Jun 2014 #71

Because the majesty of the law is more important than whether or not people starve to death... nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #77

Actually, the point had more to do with strained rationalizations petronius Jun 2014 #87

Fair enough. But "illegal" will never automatically equal "immoral" when the system of laws nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #90

On that general point I agree - 'legal' and 'right' are not synonymous. It petronius Jun 2014 #147

I hadn't made any literary references. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #105

I took nmnm08's reference to a bread thief as the literary reference; I didn't mean petronius Jun 2014 #161

Without laws and standards of honorable conduct among civilized people FrodosPet Jun 2014 #154

I'm in favor of alleviating suffering, period. Through strictly legal means or otherwise. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #160

Did you just turn Jean Valjean into a cigarette smuggler? n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #83

Darn! You beat me to it!!!! Coventina Jun 2014 #96

They bilked regualr folk via their web site etherealtruth Jun 2014 #95

Is it "right" for a little girl to suffer permanent disfigurement due to lack of funds? nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #109

... and your proof of this is ...? etherealtruth Jun 2014 #114

Nobody likes being "bilked." That itself is not in question. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #124

I agree with an unjust system .... etherealtruth Jun 2014 #130

Can't disagree with that. I'm just glad Victoria is (hopefully) getting the care she needs. n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #132

We don't even know if there was a "grift" Ken Burch Jun 2014 #129

Does it? etherealtruth Jun 2014 #137

How much money did you donate to her? onenote Jun 2014 #145

Oh look, it's the "You can't complain about poverty unless you sell your house!" argument. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #156

Why not give to her now? onenote Jun 2014 #159

Taking advantage of ordinary people Aerows Jun 2014 #99

Point taken. But at least we know now that the girl will be properly taken care of nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #113

Have the funds been used for treatment? etherealtruth Jun 2014 #117

I certainly hope so. If not, I'll be pretty pissed myself. n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #122

A plastic surgeon offered to donate his/her services etherealtruth Jun 2014 #126

Contrary to the impression I may have given, I'm not enthusiastic about what the family has done. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #135

Well-put. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #140

And people that gave out of the goodness of their hearts Aerows Jun 2014 #121

Which would be unfortunate, to say the least. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #138

There is no such thing as a justified hoax. Coventina Jun 2014 #34

Except in the name of entertainment, ala the original "War of the Worlds" radio broadcast... Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #44

For the lulz? (nt) TacoD Jun 2014 #49

War of the Worlds wasn't a hoax, it was a radio program... DesMoinesDem Jun 2014 #70

With that type of logic, what can't you justify? Throd Jun 2014 #35

A "justified hoax"???? Takket Jun 2014 #40

They got money from folks who can ill afford to donate. Kaleva Jun 2014 #47

Ken, you appear to be out of your mind. Jenoch Jun 2014 #50

Uh...for "slavery"? Ken Burch Jun 2014 #80

Slander Jenoch Jun 2014 #157

self-delete DeadLetterOffice Jun 2014 #172

Slavery, slander...obvious someone is out of their mind. Rex Jun 2014 #239

Wow, what a totally failed thread. Totally incorrect in every way. n-t Logical Jun 2014 #52

Theft by swindle. MineralMan Jun 2014 #53

sorry, this assertion is absolutely ridiculous Skittles Jun 2014 #56

Yes, they were dishonest. And yes, it's too bad KFC employees took the brunt of it. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #58

Yeah, fuck over some poor franchise owner, cost him revenue, maybe -- had not this situation been MADem Jun 2014 #59

You said it. nt Hekate Jun 2014 #74

Thanks MADem for tellin' it so Cha Jun 2014 #197

Anytime. MADem Jun 2014 #221

You are losing BADLY here! FrodosPet Jun 2014 #61

So true Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #195

This post is justification for bringing back the unrec... n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2014 #64

How much are you sending them, Ken? MineralMan Jun 2014 #72

I'd like to know that myself. nt Hekate Jun 2014 #76

Libertarians. Feh! MineralMan Jun 2014 #79

KFC didn't donate to the girl's fund. Innocent duped citizens gave that money NightWatcher Jun 2014 #73

The girl does actually have facial injuries Ken Burch Jun 2014 #85

Doubling down, Ken? Really? MineralMan Jun 2014 #91

No, simply pointing out that your example doesn't work. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #123

Really? Her life would be over? That is way over the top. Coventina Jun 2014 #177

And how, in any way, is KFC responsible for that? MineralMan Jun 2014 #211

I'm sick and don't have insurance, who should I defraud? NightWatcher Jun 2014 #101

No reply from the OP-why not? Boomerproud Jun 2014 #112

Make sure you use a child as a prop. More lucrative. Throd Jun 2014 #128

Do whatever you have to do to survive. I won't judge you so long as no one is nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #139

So I can come in your house and clean out your refrigerator and pantry? FrodosPet Jun 2014 #155

It's not about having free reign to break the law. That's not the point. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #164

You don't think the crime of "theft by fraud" is a real crime? It's just as real as me stealing MADem Jun 2014 #223

heh. Righteous rant, MADem, right down to the last paragraph. Don't rein those feelings in. nt Hekate Jun 2014 #231

Hee! I really hate it when good, tender-hearted people get taken in. It's one of those things that MADem Jun 2014 #243

Okay, now that I've had more time to think about it, my post was ill-advised. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #241

KFC donated $30,000 and said they could keep it whether TorchTheWitch Jun 2014 #200

KFC Pledged $30,000 erpowers Jun 2014 #213

Fighting fire with napalm... deathrind Jun 2014 #75

You're assuming they're telling the truth about the denial of insurance Codeine Jun 2014 #81

No, I would not behave like that. And now we know Ken Burch is a liar and a thief. Shrike47 Jun 2014 #82

Uh no, you don't know that. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #100

What the hell is going on here? Archae Jun 2014 #84

And when a select few accrue billions and billions of dollars while millions of their countrymen nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #115

Ok, sure- $135,000 swindled from caring citizens is "justified"... richmwill Jun 2014 #86

Are you serious? Or seriously wasted? ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2014 #88

If I rob a bank and give the money to a children's hospital, does that make it justified? davidn3600 Jun 2014 #102

Maybe it does. Why is money so sacred when human life isn't? n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #120

What KFC thing? bluestateguy Jun 2014 #106

Family Claimed They Were Asked To Leave erpowers Jun 2014 #214

Sorry Ken, not justified. BillZBubb Jun 2014 #110

I am glad that this child is getting help and it has not been proven either way. Hoaxes are not hrmjustin Jun 2014 #133

Snowden fan? itsrobert Jun 2014 #134

Fuck that shit. TacoD Jun 2014 #163

but they didn't get any money from the big corporation, did they? fishwax Jun 2014 #144

Actually, they got 30K from KFC n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #149

I wasn't aware of that, thanks n/t fishwax Jun 2014 #170

Cosmetic surgery is never covered by medical insurance meadowlark5 Jun 2014 #153

Getting the "cosmetic" part of reconstructive surgery approved is a long haul process Hekate Jun 2014 #166

What they did wasn't right. The fact that they had to resort to it is even worse. n/t nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #182

"Had to" is not the operative phrase, sadly enough. nt Hekate Jun 2014 #188

"What the hell kind of country would this be..." nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #180

It's pretty bad for a lot of people meadowlark5 Jun 2014 #190

I'm a Medicaid caseworker. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2014 #196

+++++++1! nt MADem Jun 2014 #225

My sympathies are with that poor child who was attacked Peacetrain Jun 2014 #158

I can only hope that the OP is a hoax Android3.14 Jun 2014 #162

So you're saying that, in your world....... WillowTree Jun 2014 #169

Ridiculous. book_worm Jun 2014 #171

What has "Big Chicken" done that deserves the righting of a wrong? Generic Brad Jun 2014 #173

Ummmm... no. Squinch Jun 2014 #176

Is it going to put KFC out of business? No. LadyHawkAZ Jun 2014 #178

I thought this had to be satire. Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #181

Shows you how desperate things have gotten in this country, I suppose. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #183

I'm not an expert on the story, but I think the problem started when the grandparents let their Warren DeMontague Jun 2014 #184

I absolutely agree on that point. Terrible situation that could have been avoided nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #186

Can someone provide a link....... WillowTree Jun 2014 #185

that only came from the family TorchTheWitch Jun 2014 #235

Gotcha. Thanks much for the info. WillowTree Jun 2014 #236

I've said it before and I'll say it again... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #189

As others have said, no it's not justified mythology Jun 2014 #191

No Alex P Notkeaton Jun 2014 #192

Yeahhhh, maaaaan ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2014 #193

Sure, and when the family buys an SUV with the money donated dilby Jun 2014 #202

I would practically guarantee that. alphafemale Jun 2014 #208

Doctors Offered Free Medical Care erpowers Jun 2014 #222

You really have to be kidding, right? OwnedByCats Jun 2014 #204

Yeah! Fuck right and wrong... ileus Jun 2014 #205

FFS... SidDithers Jun 2014 #206

I witnessed a woman trying to pull a grift once. alphafemale Jun 2014 #207

The Hoax Was Not Justified erpowers Jun 2014 #212

how much money did you send them?? cbdo2007 Jun 2014 #215

The poster was asked that upthread. Surprisingly (not) he never replied. Coventina Jun 2014 #216

pure horseshit... ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2014 #217

Hi there! Nice to see you! Coventina Jun 2014 #219

If the parents lied they will likely be charged. I hope they didn't. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #220

Good GAWD. Texasgal Jun 2014 #224

are you an anarchist? ecstatic Jun 2014 #226

It looks like the majority have utterly rejected your premise Savannahmann Jun 2014 #227

That's an interesting idea ecstatic Jun 2014 #228

All things can change. Savannahmann Jun 2014 #233

I certainly think it can be a lot more nuanced than simply "ripping people off is okay." nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #242

Excuse me, Mr. Burch…. madaboutharry Jun 2014 #229

Excuse me... pipi_k Jun 2014 #232

I'M GOING TO SELF-DELETE JUST TO LOCK THIS THREAD MYSELF. Ken Burch Jun 2014 #244