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23. Agreed. Next we will be hearing that with the right therapy and treatment, people with mild,

Sat Jun 28, 2014, 01:34 PM

Jun 2014

moderate and severe developmental disabilities will heal themselves.

Common Core and Testing are not a cure for Autism. I think Autism disability is what is driving these statements. Autism has been increasing lately. Apparently Duncan can not get the Psychology Community to change the degree of diagnosis in manual IV. So he is using the ARD Committee approach. There is nothing said about an ARD Committee so I beleive they are hidding the truth.

I believe that in the past people with intellectual and mental disabilities usually ended up on the streets or in prison. Then they went to live in neighborhood housing with house supervisors. Now, it seems that under the new Duncan Plan, people with disabilities will be tested and found to be able to be be Dismissed, by an ARD Committee, and could end up incarcerated instead of receiving Medicare and Social Security Benefits. This would be a new kind of Peonage. Common core is not an Alternative Education Plan. It is for the General Education population. Do private Autism therapy facilities use Common Core? No of course not. What a joke (Duncan is).

ARD-Admission, Review, and Dismissal Committee creates an Independent Education Plan. Is Duncan planning on using testing to move people with intellectual disabilities in to incarceration as a prison workforce after testing them out of high school and into a society that they can not handle due to their disabilities? Scary.

http://www.cfisd.net/index.php/en/parents-students/academics/special-education/admission-review-and-dismissal-ard-process/

On down in the link is information from the Texas Education Agency about the ARD process.

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Obama needs to call Arne Duncan out for his new tactics for special education students. [View all] madfloridian Jun 2014 OP

K & R historylovr Jun 2014 #1

Yes, he does. madfloridian Jun 2014 #22

If he knows about education he would know that students do have IEPs Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #80

Agreed. Next we will be hearing that with the right therapy and treatment, people with mild, DhhD Jun 2014 #23

Thanks for your comments. The ARD sounds like a more advanced form of what we called madfloridian Jun 2014 #36

Arne needs to be booted out, not just called out Demeter Jun 2014 #33

Clueless markmyword Jun 2014 #39

Here! Here! n/t amandabeech Jun 2014 #71

Arne Duncan Needs to Go... CorporatistNation Jun 2014 #127

As one who has worked with special needs student I can only say Autumn Jun 2014 #2

.... madfloridian Jun 2014 #9

Yes! Applause and much appreciation for madfloridian and Diane Ravitch - both are heroes. DamnYankeeInHouston Jun 2014 #38

We discussed this a bit TBF Jun 2014 #3

The final results won't be pretty. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #28

DURec leftstreet Jun 2014 #4

Presumably, his boss has no say in what Arne does. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #5

Agree completely madfloridian Jun 2014 #10

Since we're 6 years in and Arne hasn't been fired yet, I am going to assume that the president Doctor_J Jun 2014 #13

No question about it. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #27

oo oo, remember "Cabinet of Rivals"? MisterP Jun 2014 #40

It takes time to turn a big ship around!!! QC Jun 2014 #19

Why on earth would you think he would do that? woo me with science Jun 2014 #6

Sadly, I think Pres Obama has given Arne a free hand to do what he wants. As an riversedge Jun 2014 #7

That is the point I was trying to make. madfloridian Jun 2014 #8

I know, mad. I really do. woo me with science Jun 2014 #73

Denial is more than a river in Egypt Demeter Jun 2014 #34

fingers in ears, stamping their feet Skittles Jun 2014 #86

That'll never happen, he can't even find his comfortable shoes. bahrbearian Jun 2014 #11

.... madfloridian Jun 2014 #91

What a complete idiot that man is. Squinch Jun 2014 #12

You forget who hired him and keeps him employed Fearless Jun 2014 #14

Shhhhhh! We're not supposed to talk about that! n/t QC Jun 2014 #25

Recommend............ KoKo Jun 2014 #15

I'm a parent of a child with autism and I disagree. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #16

I agree that sometimes the placement of a LibDemAlways Jun 2014 #20

Of COURSE there should be expectations. Certainly. For sure. madfloridian Jun 2014 #21

there is no correlation between expecting academic progress and high stakes testing nt msongs Jun 2014 #26

As a substitute teacher who is frequently assigned to LibDemAlways Jun 2014 #17

Do they think that my grandson, who has Downs Syndrome will grow out of it? Dustlawyer Jun 2014 #18

Arne's words indicate he really thinks they will excel. madfloridian Jun 2014 #30

Do you think a person with Down's Syndrome is unteachable? Android3.14 Jun 2014 #41

You know what? You are really making up stuff that is not even implied in the OP or in anything... madfloridian Jun 2014 #45

Then you must mean that Android3.14 Jun 2014 #49

No I do not mean that. I did not say that. I did not even imply that. madfloridian Jun 2014 #50

Are you saying, then, that high expectations and a good curriculum are unnecessary? Android3.14 Jun 2014 #55

No, I did not say that. madfloridian Jun 2014 #57

That's the thing. I am beginning to wonder if you know what you are saying Android3.14 Jun 2014 #84

The OP's last thread on this hit a FAIL..... msanthrope Jun 2014 #97

Each new IEP is set at a higher than the previous expectation and curriculum objectives. IEP DhhD Jun 2014 #67

Sounds right to me Android3.14 Jun 2014 #83

When I taught Down Syndrome kids in 2010 , I had to teach them Algebra if they were HS age. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #68

I have also taught math to kids with Downs Android3.14 Jun 2014 #78

I can't speak for New York dsc Jun 2014 #89

I've taught the geometry version of that class Android3.14 Jun 2014 #116

My son with autism got a "C+" in algebra this year. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #92

Yes, because all special needs kids are just like your son kcr Jun 2014 #108

Some are. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #128

I'm not advocating sequestering kids in special ed classrooms kcr Jun 2014 #150

How old is your son and... if you know it... what's his IQ? n/t Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #129

15 and I have no idea. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #130

It's important to know. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #131

No, I'm saying that in the special ed classroom, there's little incentive for progress. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #146

OK. But I was originally referencing specifically kids w. Down Syndrome: Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #178

I recently attended a disabilities conference. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #181

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #24

I have absolutely no idea.... ReRe Jun 2014 #29

It must be painful to hear for those who work with special ed, and for parents of students madfloridian Jun 2014 #32

You are spreading misinformation again Android3.14 Jun 2014 #42

Please read these two articles. madfloridian Jun 2014 #46

You, your son, the teacher all are responsible for his education. What are his needs, what will make AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #58

of course Android3.14 Jun 2014 #63

I am wondering how long you can throw accusations at me without people noticing.... madfloridian Jun 2014 #64

I'm sorry, madfloridian, but your are speaking nonsense Android3.14 Jun 2014 #79

You know what? Whatever you say. madfloridian Jun 2014 #82

I noticed... Fairgo Jun 2014 #104

.... madfloridian Jun 2014 #106

A nasty and ridiculous post that underscores your lack of argument here. woo me with science Jun 2014 #88

Now it's a wierd strawman Android3.14 Jun 2014 #114

You love that word "wierd" & used it in several posts, & a great adjective to dismiss something AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #142

It is a great adjective Android3.14 Jun 2014 #151

Yes, weird is a great adjective...especially when it is spelled right. madfloridian Jun 2014 #160

Current testing does not decide the academic future of the student - it just determines the school's AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #65

The only repercussions if a student decides to tank a test is to the school & teacher. A student can AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #69

Weaponized testing Fairgo Jun 2014 #105

As a matter of fact, I am familiar with that sort of curriculum Android3.14 Jun 2014 #81

Holy Smoke, where do I begin? 1st I don't demand anything from you. 2nd "some hypothetical AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #85

Redirect-redirect Android3.14 Jun 2014 #112

It is demeaning. The child should be seen as a child 1st - not "some special ed child" your words AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #140

CC and IEPs are unrelated in this context Android3.14 Jun 2014 #148

...... madfloridian Jun 2014 #132

Do you know what the word "Standardized" means, as in "Standardized Testing"? WinkyDink Jun 2014 #135

Are you aware that Testing is what a Charter School group of Profiteers uses to take down public DhhD Jun 2014 #70

I was wondering about Dallas home rule. I am going to follow your link. madfloridian Jun 2014 #117

WHAT??? WHAT????? What part of special needs does he not understand??? DesertDiamond Jun 2014 #31

Misuse of testing Android3.14 Jun 2014 #35

Yes the President should call Duncan out, elleng Jun 2014 #37

Misleading OP Android3.14 Jun 2014 #43

No, it is true. Already happening. Be sure of your facts before you accuse me. madfloridian Jun 2014 #47

Wrong...again Android3.14 Jun 2014 #53

If I taught? Yes, I taught for many years. You think I am troubling in what I post? Accusation... madfloridian Jun 2014 #56

Again, misinformation Android3.14 Jun 2014 #119

I don't need you to agree with me. madfloridian Jun 2014 #120

You've been around here since '06, but you don't know if mad taught. Odd. Mc Mike Jun 2014 #107

Substituting Common Core for an IEP is what Duncan is trying to change. Profiteers like Mitt DhhD Jun 2014 #72

You put that clearly. madfloridian Jun 2014 #74

Show me, please, evidence Android3.14 Jun 2014 #75

IEP = Individualized Education Plan, which is developed between parents & group of specialists, AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #76

It's your assertion, it's incumbent upon you to provide links to back it up... lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #90

It is cruel to put demands & pressures on a child who does not have the ability to AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #44

Thank you. Very kind and sensitive post that truly shows understanding. madfloridian Jun 2014 #52

Helping the special needs child towards his/her best possible future, w/their self esteem intact is AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #62

Every student has pressures and demands. That is as it should be. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #94

These students do have a rigorous curriculum. Expectations/demands are made and tracked. AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #138

No, madfloridian is not making stuff up. No, not writing misleading stuff. madfloridian Jun 2014 #48

That post-er is a mere mosquito in the Taj Mahal. Mc Mike Jun 2014 #98

Now a friend has joined that person. madfloridian Jun 2014 #99

Ignore them, they are clueless as to the topic and only want to disrupt. Rex Jun 2014 #102

..... madfloridian Jun 2014 #103

Yes....we with disabled children are "clueless." I mean....why would anyone take us into msanthrope Jun 2014 #167

It may be small comfort, Mc Mike Jun 2014 #113

I am noticing that. It's much appreciated. madfloridian Jun 2014 #115

You're getting the 'special treatment' because you're 'threateningly' effective. Mc Mike Jun 2014 #118

I know what they are doing. Just told me again that I posted misinformation. madfloridian Jun 2014 #121

Thanks for the o.p., by the way. Mc Mike Jun 2014 #136

wow . . . just wow DrDan Jun 2014 #51

I've worked with developmentally challenged children ages 6 to 17. no_hypocrisy Jun 2014 #54

Exactly Android3.14 Jun 2014 #60

It gives you an idea how *little* either of them understands about *any* of it. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #59

Good for you. Impressive group. Whew, I hope this post is worth the bruises I've gotten. madfloridian Jun 2014 #61

Doesn't seem that Duncan Donuts has EVER been a real teacher. alp227 Jun 2014 #66

AD knows. Of course, he knows. But he ALSO knows that there's $$$ to be made from selling WinkyDink Jun 2014 #77

Scary thought, but it might be the motivation behind his plan AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #87

He's never going to call him out. HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #93

I think you're right. 840high Jun 2014 #110

Keep hoping. He never will if he hasn't by now. ancianita Jun 2014 #95

I know. madfloridian Jun 2014 #122

... ancianita Jun 2014 #124

So after your last thread on this hit a mighty FAIL...you start a new thread???? msanthrope Jun 2014 #96

Um MFrohike Jun 2014 #123

Thank you for emphasizing my point...that the OP discussed none of this at all, but instead relied msanthrope Jun 2014 #164

Yeah, that's not what I did MFrohike Jun 2014 #169

It is like having an entire school board that hates the idea of education. Rex Jun 2014 #100

TN school head on conference call with Obama...SP Ed should take same test as all others. madfloridian Jun 2014 #101

No, my "last post" was not a FAIL...I linked to it in this OP. Was the link even read? madfloridian Jun 2014 #109

40 rec...but ya someone seems to be jelly of you! Rex Jun 2014 #111

Keep on posting, madfloridian, we need to get more people to understand this issue. greatlaurel Jun 2014 #125

I agree on those 2 core groups. madfloridian Jun 2014 #126

As the father of a special needs child, I'm appalled. Sadly, though, I'm not surprised. Duncan ... Scuba Jun 2014 #133

Appalled at what, specifically? Android3.14 Jun 2014 #134

I'm appalled at most everything Duncan has done. More testing for special needs kids? Another ... Scuba Jun 2014 #137

Your link doesn't address CC or special needs students Android3.14 Jun 2014 #145

You can assume whatever you like. Duncan is bad for schools, kids and their parents. Scuba Jun 2014 #147

Again, you are making assumptions Android3.14 Jun 2014 #152

A billionaire reformer when Arne was chosen: The stars are now aligned. madfloridian Jun 2014 #139

madfloridian - I appreciate you & your efforts to help children. THANK YOU! nt AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #141

Thank you. madfloridian Jun 2014 #143

I just watched GOP Reince Prebus on MTP using similar verbiage/language as some DU posters AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #144

Also - Thank you for staying to fight the good fight. DU is often tedious to read due to AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #149

The more push back you are getting means your message is hitting home. greatlaurel Jun 2014 #153

Pity is a lousy tool in rhetoric Android3.14 Jun 2014 #154

You need to reread your own posts here. madfloridian Jun 2014 #155

Still no defense? Android3.14 Jun 2014 #157

Wow. madfloridian Jun 2014 #159

You're really good at giving orders and making demands, Mc Mike Jun 2014 #163

Oh pshaw Android3.14 Jun 2014 #165

Since you feel that you're the arbiter of what is 'substantive', your demand is impossible to Mc Mike Jun 2014 #186

My "A"s to your "Q"s Android3.14 Jun 2014 #187

Here's a few notes, professor Mc Mike Jul 2014 #188

SO you would rather IMPLY I lie about being retired teacher...won't come out and say it? madfloridian Jul 2014 #189

Perhaps duty called A elsewhere. nt. Mc Mike Jul 2014 #190

I hope so. madfloridian Jul 2014 #191

That post-er was very inconsistent. Jarringly so. Mc Mike Jul 2014 #192

Well at least you are big enough to admit you lost a debate. Rex Jun 2014 #156

Of course Android3.14 Jun 2014 #158

Poor madfloridian... madfloridian Jun 2014 #161

Wierd. Rex Jun 2014 #162

Be suspicious when you feel as though you are posting to a wall, or merrily Jun 2014 #176

That is how it feels. Trying to nail Jello to a wall. Exactly. madfloridian Jun 2014 #180

Another post with same problems. Did not believe I was a teacher. June 11 madfloridian Jun 2014 #166

Well, you alerted on me for posting "old stuff" but it is not against the rules. msanthrope Jun 2014 #168

Goose, gander...and all that. madfloridian Jun 2014 #170

So you admit to posting old threads, but alerting on me for posting old threads? nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #171

There you go again. I link to MY old posts. So do you. madfloridian Jun 2014 #172

Well, I link to your old posts, too! What of it? Are you suggesting that on DEMOCRATIC msanthrope Jun 2014 #173

Are you referring to Goose, gander? Old saying, very old. Older than Ronnie. madfloridian Jun 2014 #174

OMG...did you miss where you quoted RR? Come on....I know you and I are both old enough msanthrope Jun 2014 #175

This is getting to be disturbing. I don't know even what to say to you anymore. madfloridian Jun 2014 #179

Dude..... msanthrope Jun 2014 #182

First off, I'm not a dude. 2nd you are really reaching on that reagan stuff madfloridian Jun 2014 #184

I know you are not male...."Dude" is universal.... msanthrope Jun 2014 #185

I hope that totally destroying public education isn't Obama's legacy emsimon33 Jun 2014 #177

K&R nt raouldukelives Jun 2014 #183