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DirkGently

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118. Wait. If it takes a CSI exam to "see" the bigotry

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #76)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 05:06 PM

Jul 2014

i.e., ... whether his features are exaggerated or not, and whether if so, the nose is among them, and if so, whether the nose is made larger to some degree ...

... aren't you well past making a case for a deliberate racist caricature that should have been hidden by a DU jury?

Context also matters. This is an image calling Kissinger out for his real, atrocious actions, not for his cultural identity, heritage, or religion, right? He did those things.

Yet, if a careful examination and comparison to other images shows any exaggeration of his features, we should all infer the intent of the image is religious bigotry?

That seems like a long way to go to discount a real critique of a real bad guy.

Five seconds of Google indicates every single political cartoon of Kissinger, ever, exaggerates his features, nose included.

All bigotry?

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Do you consider this photo anti-Semitic? [View all] alp227 Jul 2014 OP

I'm with Juror #1 who said "It's not anti-Semitic, it's anti-Kissinger." Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #1

C'mon, since Kissinger is Jewish, no way whoever created that image alp227 Jul 2014 #2

I've never even though about Kissinger being Jewish until you just brought it up. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #30

Pretending you can read someone's mind doesn't mean you actually can read minds Bucky Jul 2014 #96

+1.000 malaise Jul 2014 #21

Exactly. He gave the green light to the Dirty War in Argentina and the overthrow Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #29

Chile - the original 9/11 malaise Jul 2014 #33

Absolutely he should. n/t Aerows Jul 2014 #47

agreed.. Kissinger could be Nepunian and still be as despicable SoCalDem Jul 2014 #49

Yup. ^This^ truebrit71 Jul 2014 #115

If Jews were the only race stereotyped with big noses, then yes. tecelote Jul 2014 #3

but do you not deny "big nose" IS an anti-semitic trope? alp227 Jul 2014 #5

No. I would be a bigot if I did. tecelote Jul 2014 #10

Am not! People simply need to be informed of what bigotry is. alp227 Jul 2014 #13

Yeah, you kind of are. I hadn't seen that photo you linked to until reading your thread here. Electric Monk Jul 2014 #17

BTW - as much as I dislike Kissinger, people have always said the my Dad looks like him. tecelote Jul 2014 #12

Go and speak with Africans, people of African descent malaise Jul 2014 #70

Big nose is not an "anti-semitic trope" .... madmom Jul 2014 #88

Freedom of speech is not freedom to say anything without criticism Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #42

the Big Nose thing for Jews IS anti semetic, it's like claiming comparing a black person to a CHimp JI7 Jul 2014 #58

Speaking of dog whistles. GeorgeGist Jul 2014 #4

You're missing the point. It's one thing to discuss GMO's, alp227 Jul 2014 #7

is there an image you would prefer be used? samsingh Jul 2014 #104

all these years I've hated Kissinger and not once did Jewish cross my mind. hobbit709 Jul 2014 #6

That's great, but please be aware of certain images of Kissinger floating around the internet, alp227 Jul 2014 #9

There's nothing that could be done to Kissinger's face that would make him look worse than what he i hobbit709 Jul 2014 #14

do you think it would be ok to call Clarence THomas the racist N Word ? JI7 Jul 2014 #60

I have a lot of words for Thomas but that isn't one of them hobbit709 Jul 2014 #61

I don't know. His nose looks pretty big in this picture, too. Do you think it was altered as well? Electric Monk Jul 2014 #8

that photo looks genuine, as opposed to the photo in that post i linked to. nt alp227 Jul 2014 #11

My take is that in the first photo you posted, it looks like they re-sized the picture and Maedhros Jul 2014 #87

stretched Takket Jul 2014 #18

It seems you're rather upset about posting rock Jul 2014 #15

3) I would personally avoid using the photo now that you have pointed that out; tecelote Jul 2014 #19

You need me to explain to you rock Jul 2014 #85

I was agreeing with you. tecelote Jul 2014 #94

I am tired of people calling others anti-semitic 4now Jul 2014 #16

Obsessively inciting hatred against Israel does raise suspicions. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #80

No, not all big noses are Jewish noses. Sometimes it's not about you. nt bemildred Jul 2014 #20

True. I have a big nose and I'm not Jewish. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #34

That among other things. bemildred Jul 2014 #46

and black people don't look like chimps either, doesn't change how it's a common Racist attack JI7 Jul 2014 #62

Big nosed is an insult without being about any particular ethnicity. bemildred Jul 2014 #65

not when it comes to JEwish people , a lot of people are made fun of for eating fried chicken JI7 Jul 2014 #68

Have a nice day. nt bemildred Jul 2014 #69

It was from David Icke's site, and he has had a history of accusations of anti-semitism muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #74

Don't worry, I will be sure to ignore such questions in the future. bemildred Jul 2014 #75

Huh? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #78

Indeed huh? nt bemildred Jul 2014 #81

You said 'If it is true, as the other poster says, that it's from an "anti-semitic site"' muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #82

When it becomes clear to me that no communication is occurring, bemildred Jul 2014 #83

Are you saying that whenever you say you don't have 100% knowledge of something muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #84

it's not about how Jewish Noses actually look, it's about how it's a common bigoted attack against JI7 Jul 2014 #63

The point is whether the picture is anti-semitic, that was the question, right? bemildred Jul 2014 #67

Yes, anti- Kissinger, not anti- Semitic. morningfog Jul 2014 #22

The good news is MIRT banned the poster as a repeat troll muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #23

The person who posted it is a multiply banned troll... SidDithers Jul 2014 #24

Which reminds me of some thing about Icke supposedly being anti-Semitic: Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #28

He's not exactly playing with a full deck, is he... SidDithers Jul 2014 #31

Only 88 posts ... act. nt TBF Jul 2014 #43

MIRT nuked them... SidDithers Jul 2014 #44

Good. TBF Jul 2014 #45

The photo looks distorted for sure aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #25

Pitiful Android3.14 Jul 2014 #26

People with thin skins are bad enough Warpy Jul 2014 #36

It makes him look like a troll to me. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #27

The whole face was widened, probably to fit the poster. Warpy Jul 2014 #32

No. Getting stomped by the jury wasn't enough for you? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #35

^^ What he said Boom Sound 416 Jul 2014 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2014 #54

But it is from an anti-Semitic, crazy ass source... SidDithers Jul 2014 #57

Nope. intaglio Jul 2014 #37

I'm not sure I see anti-Semitic stereotype... Chan790 Jul 2014 #38

speaking as a jew, that's not a particularly jewish-looking shnoz. unblock Jul 2014 #39

To make sure I understand Savannahmann Jul 2014 #40

I probably wouldn't have voted to hide it based on the image alone Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #41

Here's the undistorted version (and the real one it seems to be based on) JHB Jul 2014 #48

The exaggerated shadow under his nose is a tell. herding cats Jul 2014 #55

Yep, that shows the nose clearly exaggerated muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #76

Wait. If it takes a CSI exam to "see" the bigotry DirkGently Jul 2014 #118

Do you think this photo is anti-semitic? Jackpine Radical Jul 2014 #50

Henry Kissinger: "America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests." nt TheBlackAdder Jul 2014 #51

This photo is from an octoberlib Jul 2014 #52

The whole face is stretched. ZombieHorde Jul 2014 #56

The poster is a now-banned repeat troll who got the image from NYC Liberal Jul 2014 #59

no. neither did the jury. spanone Jul 2014 #64

No. Scuba Jul 2014 #66

The evil large-nosed Jewish person is like offensive stereotypes 101 Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #71

yes , but i'm not surprised JI7 Jul 2014 #72

exactly. even when i provided links showing so, jurors remained ignorant! nt alp227 Jul 2014 #86

When it comes to anti-Semitism... Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #90

Actually, it's been pretty iffy on that score too recently: Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #106

yep it sure is steve2470 Jul 2014 #91

We had a similar thing come up in Minnesota when Senator Franken was running six years ago. Hong Kong Cavalier Jul 2014 #101

Doesn't look like it to me, but I'd be wary of anything from David Icke. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #73

No, and where did the righteous rant go? roody Jul 2014 #77

using an mercuryblues Jul 2014 #79

(a) it's not an 'actual picture', it's a drawing with an exaggerated nose muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author AverageJoe90 Jul 2014 #89

Looks like Kissinger to me. No it's not anti-Semitic, but then I'm not Jewish. bermudat Jul 2014 #92

Maybe a bit antisemite : but this was seriously considered to be fireflysky46 Jul 2014 #93

What was the rationale for that hide? Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #110

They do not understand that I was describing the antisemitism of Russians fireflysky46 Jul 2014 #111

That is how I read your post. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #112

So I am the one who demonstrate the antisemitism of some people fireflysky46 Jul 2014 #113

It was a bad hide. I appreciated your post. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #114

Thanks for your understanding, here is the process : fireflysky46 Jul 2014 #116

Comics always use exaggerated features Reter Jul 2014 #97

Yup ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #98

I'm inclined to agree with you cpwm17 Jul 2014 #99

Just looks vertically squashed to me. DirkGently Jul 2014 #100

As someone who is Jewish let me explain to those who miss this. dilby Jul 2014 #102

it is not anti-sematic. i would be one of the first to be offended if it were samsingh Jul 2014 #103

No. H2O Man Jul 2014 #105

Of course it's anti-semitic taught_me_patience Jul 2014 #107

Um...NO! PFunk Jul 2014 #108

Oy vey. KamaAina Jul 2014 #109

Yes In_The_Wind Jul 2014 #117

Locking... Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #119