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17. koppel's nightline experiment on race

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 01:07 PM

Apr 2012

i wish i could find the link. it started with ted koppel asking a group of white people about black people. most were of the opinon that black people had some advantage in society that they did not have, e.g., affirmative action. then koppel asked them who much money they would need to "turn black" and take advantage of the perceived perks of blackness. every person said they would need millions of dollars to be black...and why? because of the shit that black people had to deal with. the disconnect, dissonance of whatever you want to call it was stunning. as i recall, koppel replicated a study done by a professor in a classroom, with the exact same results. first...the denial, then the acknowledgement.

here's a link to an intervirew with koppel where he mentions the experiment:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2005/11/25/ted-koppel-racial-inequality-america-just-infuriates-me

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This is for those who don't think there is any such thing as White Privlege [View all] Taverner Apr 2012 OP

Let me add... Taverner Apr 2012 #1

i agree, white's cant imagine what it's like to face employment discrimination bart95 Apr 2012 #2

OK - now imagine this facing you on every job Taverner Apr 2012 #3

yeah, i think i understand what you're saying bart95 Apr 2012 #4

Saying that pnumonia is worse than the flu doesn't mean everyone should get pnumonia. jeff47 Apr 2012 #11

Nice and succinct. redqueen Apr 2012 #13

Well said! JustAnotherGen Apr 2012 #20

Ding ding ding! Zalatix Apr 2012 #29

People have been telling that poster the same thing since they joined DU a few weeks ago stevenleser Apr 2012 #56

Oh, I fully realize that there's a pity party going on jeff47 Apr 2012 #60

i think you understand noiretextatique Apr 2012 #18

No no this isnt about guilt Marrah_G Apr 2012 #32

"i'm guilty becasue of my skin color" fishwax Apr 2012 #43

I think it comes out that way in popular discourse a lot of the time, however. HiPointDem Apr 2012 #48

I rarely see it that way -- though it's not unusual to see people respond defensively fishwax Apr 2012 #57

I agree that people will respond defensively, even when the discourse of privilege isn't HiPointDem Apr 2012 #58

I think it's rarely used as a stick to poke anyone with fishwax Apr 2012 #59

Do you always make yourself out to be the victim, therefore lunatica Apr 2012 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author jeff47 Apr 2012 #10

Look at black unemployment levels, the video you cited hurts blacks far more than whites. Zalatix Apr 2012 #6

yup, h-1b discrimination pretty much blows blacks out of IT completely bart95 Apr 2012 #8

You are certainly twisting yourself into some fairly interesting knots over this. Ikonoklast Apr 2012 #9

not just the tech sector noiretextatique Apr 2012 #19

Really, we need to get past this and deal with PLUTOCRAT privileges Zalatix Apr 2012 #30

Bingo! Aerows Apr 2012 #34

And there's a very tight historical connection between plutocrat privilege and the system of HiPointDem Apr 2012 #47

+1000 noiretextatique Apr 2012 #69

Sorry but that's a total load of shit, try being white and filing a complaint with the EEOC just1voice Apr 2012 #53

try being black and filing a claim with EEOC noiretextatique Apr 2012 #70

What's really sick are those who deny it exists because they are white and have money issues. arbusto_baboso Apr 2012 #5

You got it. Ikonoklast Apr 2012 #7

Very true Taverner Apr 2012 #12

Actually Chris Rock pointed it out in one of his stand up routines and it made me stop in my tracks. Happyhippychick Apr 2012 #14

"And I'm RICH!" arcane1 Apr 2012 #27

I would aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #83

I have a feeling that most of the people in the audience Art_from_Ark Apr 2012 #85

koppel's nightline experiment on race noiretextatique Apr 2012 #17

I remember you mentioning this before! Number23 Apr 2012 #65

everyone needs to see that nightline segment noiretextatique Apr 2012 #68

Your baby girl (cyber granddaughter) is doing just fine Number23 Apr 2012 #80

I don't think that experiment proves any sort of white privilege hfojvt Apr 2012 #81

sure...i would like to earn as much as a white male noiretextatique Apr 2012 #86

but this is about white advantage, about male advantage hfojvt Apr 2012 #88

THANK YOU. From the bottom of my heart. Number23 Apr 2012 #64

I tend to think it is sick hfojvt Apr 2012 #82

unless, of course, one is in certain african nations lol nt msongs Apr 2012 #15

And class zipplewrath Apr 2012 #16

the problem with painting race based advantages with a broad brush bart95 Apr 2012 #21

it surprises me that so many white people in america noiretextatique Apr 2012 #23

Noir, you would have a better the average chance of NEVER MAKING IT TO THE JAIL ALIVE! Ecumenist Apr 2012 #25

sis, you are right. if i was zimmerman noiretextatique Apr 2012 #72

I agree that white privilege is best understood in terms of the system. & speaking of the Bushes, HiPointDem Apr 2012 #33

the tulsa and rosewood white riots are also revealing noiretextatique Apr 2012 #76

Yup nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #22

Yes indeed, Nadin. As a black woman, it irks me to end when I have people tell me how well I speak Ecumenist Apr 2012 #24

We have done experiments to prove it to the incredolous kind nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #26

Yep. I remember years ago, I was watching some program that was about the way that store Ecumenist Apr 2012 #37

katrina headline: white people "found" while black people "looted" noiretextatique Apr 2012 #74

The term privlege in this phrase does not mean wealth Marrah_G Apr 2012 #28

Again, do you really not get how dismissive this attitude is? Union Scribe Apr 2012 #46

you dont understand bart95 Apr 2012 #52

true allies do not dismiss the struggle of people of color in this country noiretextatique Apr 2012 #79

im white deacon1949 Apr 2012 #31

So, do you think there's no white privilege, then? cyberswede Apr 2012 #35

Well gosh, all the problems are solved then. OriginalGeek Apr 2012 #36

if it were possible, Deacon, would you change places with a black person, as in changing your skin Ecumenist Apr 2012 #38

What you personally think about yourself is irrelevant - TBF Apr 2012 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Apr 2012 #40

That poster aside, why are you advocating banning folks when you've only TBF Apr 2012 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Apr 2012 #42

No, it isn't. Union Scribe Apr 2012 #45

You're making it personal when it doesn't need to be imo TBF Apr 2012 #49

it's the grenade over the wall tactic bart95 Apr 2012 #55

Tell it to the millions of victimized white people Taitertots Apr 2012 #44

Ahhh so white people are the real victims... Taverner Apr 2012 #51

None of your examples show white privilege Taitertots Apr 2012 #61

no, there is not a racist conspriracy...just business as usual noiretextatique Apr 2012 #67

That person won't reply - too busy looking for a bar to smoke in REP Apr 2012 #50

has anyone ever read 'The Other Foot', by Ray Bradbury? bart95 Apr 2012 #54

Cenk and Tim Wise nailed this a couple years ago.. opiate69 Apr 2012 #62

+100000000 Taverner Apr 2012 #66

Wow. So true. DLevine Apr 2012 #71

Anyone who says there is no such thing as white privlege Autumn Apr 2012 #63

Or a white autistic aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #84

loks like a bunch of links hfojvt Apr 2012 #73

I'm sorry - I am not going to engage with the "Poor Whiteys" out there Taverner Apr 2012 #75

And it's much more pervasive than this... MrScorpio Apr 2012 #77

i call this "hegemony as a natural state" noiretextatique Apr 2012 #78

Tagged for later. I must be off to play croquet and drink champagne with my rich friends. slackmaster Apr 2012 #89

I think that all of the folks who deny that white privilige exists Puglover Apr 2012 #90