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chrisa

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72. "aren't paid any more for the same work"

Thu Apr 5, 2012, 08:03 PM

Apr 2012

Key word being "the same work," considering men can still get into positions that women can't. Men are much more likely to be in powerful positions.

See this wikipedia article. Particularly find the section, "Explaining the gender pay gap." Some of the disparity between male and female pay is because of gender stereotypes, and just because they can.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2%80%93female_income_disparity_in_the_United_States

What I listed aren't stereotypes. Everything except for the explanation of the murder rate is a proven fact (for the murder rate, I'm guessing that's the case - when was the last time you saw a woman beat a man down, stab him, or shoot him? It happens, but nowhere near as much). Men are more likely to use lethal approaches to suicide. Men take dangerous jobs like fire-fighting, police work, factory work, construction, etc.).

Article on male vs. female suicide rates:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/11/981112075159.htm

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"aren't paid any more for the same work" chrisa Apr 2012 #72

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