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34. Supporting a warranted and justified...

Reply to woo me with science (Reply #32)

Sun Jul 13, 2014, 01:07 PM

Jul 2014

... trust in institutions that are necessary for the protection and enhancement of our security but that, for practical reasons, must be kept less than fully transparent is a valuable and legitimate enterprise in an open society. An environment of warranted and justified trust is exactly the relationship that a nation needs in relation to its own citizens.

The core of Sunstein's paper was not an effort to "sell covert government spying" through "creepy, manipulative tactics". It is to undermine and correct irrational, damaging conspiracy theories. I don't see anything wrong with the government responding to and correcting the notion that it was itself responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

After reading Sunstein's paper, I'm convinced that he is an advocate (albeit a pragmatic advocate) of a free and open society. If you haven't, you can read it here:

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1084585

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