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Octafish

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77. Back in 1975, Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) warned us, so NSA spied on him...
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 08:15 PM
Jul 2014

Frank Church was a patriot, a hero and a statesman, truly a great American.

The guy also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:

“That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.

I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”

-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, of course, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.



And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy:

In 1980, Church will lose re-election to the Senate in part because of accusations of his committee’s responsibility for Welch’s death by his Republican opponent, Jim McClure.

SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1


From GWU's National Security Archives:



"Disreputable if Not Outright Illegal": The National Security Agency versus Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Art Buchwald, Frank Church, et al.

Newly Declassified History Divulges Names of Prominent Americans Targeted by NSA during Vietnam Era

Declassification Decision by Interagency Panel Releases New Information on the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Panama Canal Negotiations


National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 441
Posted – September 25, 2013
Originally Posted - November 14, 2008
Edited by Matthew M. Aid and William Burr

Washington, D.C., September 25, 2013 – During the height of the Vietnam War protest movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the National Security Agency tapped the overseas communications of selected prominent Americans, most of whom were critics of the war, according to a recently declassified NSA history. For years those names on the NSA's watch list were secret, but thanks to the decision of an interagency panel, in response to an appeal by the National Security Archive, the NSA has released them for the first time. The names of the NSA's targets are eye-popping. Civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King and Whitney Young were on the watch list, as were the boxer Muhammad Ali, New York Times journalist Tom Wicker, and veteran Washington Post humor columnist Art Buchwald. Also startling is that the NSA was tasked with monitoring the overseas telephone calls and cable traffic of two prominent members of Congress, Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and Howard Baker (R-Tennessee).

SNIP...

Another NSA target was Senator Frank Church, who started out as a moderate Vietnam War critic. A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even before the Tonkin Gulf incident, Church worried about U.S. intervention in a "political war" that was militarily unwinnable. While Church voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, he later saw his vote as a grave error. In 1965, as Lyndon Johnson made decisions to escalate the war, Church argued that the United States was doing "too much," criticisms that one White House official said were "irresponsible." Church had been one of Johnson's Senate allies but the President was angry with Church and other Senate critics and later suggested that they were under Moscow's influence because of their meetings with Soviet diplomats. In the fall of 1967, Johnson declared that "the major threat we have is from the doves" and ordered FBI security checks on "individuals who wrote letters and telegrams critical of a speech he had recently delivered." In that political climate, it is not surprising that some government officials eventually nominated Church for the watch list.[10]

SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB441/



I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-CT) also got the treatment from NSA?

“I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up.” — Senator Richard Schweiker on “Face the Nation” in 1976.

Lost to History NOT

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More evidence that the cold war was merely posing, not reality. Pholus Jul 2014 #1
Absolutely. What Gen. Doolittle reported... Octafish Jul 2014 #61
I think one of the general's pronouncements was not heeded... Pholus Jul 2014 #71
Extra large Freedom Fries with your New World Order reddread Jul 2014 #2
What Exactly Are the Spy Agencies Doing with their Bag of Dirty Tricks? Octafish Jul 2014 #63
another example of technology putting people out of work n/t reddread Jul 2014 #64
NSA is blackmailing and harassing opponents MinM Jul 2014 #80
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keeping their powder dry for the next big abomination reddread Jul 2014 #6
Look below. QC Jul 2014 #14
obama wanted to have a conversation or something.. frylock Jul 2014 #16
Obama should close down the GCHQ RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!! WonderGrunion Jul 2014 #57
Right. It's not like the Brits work for CIA or something. Octafish Jul 2014 #66
That response made me smile... Pholus Jul 2014 #73
Thanks Octafish, I thought everyone knew that by now. But I guess not, so sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #81
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Alfred McCoy: It's About Blackmail, Not National Security Octafish Jul 2014 #76
Given the expanding abilities and effectiveness of technology Babel_17 Jul 2014 #8
Back in 1975, Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) warned us, so NSA spied on him... Octafish Jul 2014 #77
It was in the dawn of that era that the movie, The Anderson Tapes, was released Babel_17 Jul 2014 #79
I guess the bushies did get one thing right. JEB Jul 2014 #9
Is that polls disagree so often? rickyhall Jul 2014 #10
Another exasperated, cranky kick. This shit is really getting on my nerves. Rec! nt riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #12
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nope frylock Jul 2014 #15
We could conduct a poll! Babel_17 Jul 2014 #18
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Is yours? Aerows Jul 2014 #21
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I am at the point now that these STUPID talking points RE: Snowden/Greenwald Maedhros Jul 2014 #37
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(I imagine) ECHELON used mainframes out of IBM. Octafish Jul 2014 #41
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Wow, more evidence of what has long been suspected. Once again, thanks Greenwald, Snowden sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #36
Claiming GCHQ did these things yesterday would have you branded a conspiracy theorist. pa28 Jul 2014 #38
It DID. I remember well that people suspected some of the talking points sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #39
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