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MattSh

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85. Yes, I do know that...

Fri Jul 18, 2014, 10:04 AM

Jul 2014

But what I'm questioning is the push to read only sources that hew to the establishment line. Because that's exactly what the push to demean Russian news sources is. It means "don't question authority." USA authorities, that is.

In my first trip to Kiev 10 years ago, I met a woman who said to me "at least in the USSR, with one source of news, a good number of people understood they were being lied to. People in the west believe that if 95% of the sources say the same thing, then the 95% group must be correct. Therefore, they think they are not being lied to". To paraphrase a bit.

This idea that a Russian source must be wrong when they don't agree with the 95% of American sources is guaranteed to leave one ill-informed and ignorant. I for one choose not to go that route. But YMMV...

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More evidence Ukrainian AA shot down Malaysian airliner. [View all] another_liberal Jul 2014 OP

So how did the Rebels shoot down the AN-26 that also crashed near Torez yesterday? FrodosPet Jul 2014 #1

One assumes it was not flying at 33,000 feet when attacked. another_liberal Jul 2014 #12

Not a bit reasonable FrodosPet Jul 2014 #19

No, it wasn't reorg Jul 2014 #88

So who is ITAR-TASS anyhow? FrodosPet Jul 2014 #2

Thank you for that . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #9

So if ITAR-TASS is correct, FrodosPet Jul 2014 #14

If I understand the situation correctly . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #17

They have been raiding and capturing Ukraine weapons FrodosPet Jul 2014 #25

We have hard evidence the Ukrainian forces had the capability to do this attack . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #27

We? maddezmom Jul 2014 #29

You and I . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #51

Nice try. maddezmom Jul 2014 #52

Meaning what? another_liberal Jul 2014 #57

You are smart enough to figure it out yourself. maddezmom Jul 2014 #59

And some emerging evidence the rebels could as well FrodosPet Jul 2014 #40

the rebels do not have an air force Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #49

Better ask the Ukrainians . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #54

do you have a link? Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #55

Did you neglect to read my OP? another_liberal Jul 2014 #58

Ukraine says army has not used anti-aircraft missiles in east Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #62

Hey nice link. Agschmid Jul 2014 #69

Link? maddezmom Jul 2014 #56

You also neglected to read my OP . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #60

I find it to be a highly dubious source maddezmom Jul 2014 #61

I read it, Agschmid Jul 2014 #71

Why would you believe anything RSTV says/reports? Boom Sound 416 Jul 2014 #84

Personally, I don't believe them any more than I do Faux News FrodosPet Jul 2014 #89

+1,000 malaise Jul 2014 #42

They quoted Ukrainian Prosecutor-General Vitaly Yarema that the rebels don't have their Buk jakeXT Jul 2014 #41

Doesn't Pass the smell test FreakinDJ Jul 2014 #3

Were you there? another_liberal Jul 2014 #8

A personal relationship with SAM systems FreakinDJ Jul 2014 #138

Even transponder amnesia like on MH 370 would help/nt jakeXT Jul 2014 #16

More bullshit from your favorite source maddezmom Jul 2014 #4

I'm quite well rested at present . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #6

What sources would you suggest? MattSh Jul 2014 #34

There are plenty others on DU right now maddezmom Jul 2014 #35

Yes, I do know that... MattSh Jul 2014 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author another_liberal Jul 2014 #5

Are you talking to yourself now? maddezmom Jul 2014 #7

Thanks . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #10

This article you post is unadulterated bullshit. boston bean Jul 2014 #11

Why would you claim that? another_liberal Jul 2014 #13

Because it is. Even though it is a lovely Summer morning. boston bean Jul 2014 #15

Only your opinion . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #20

ok, it's malarkey. Does that help? boston bean Jul 2014 #21

Naw. It's still taurine metabolic byproducts. hobbit709 Jul 2014 #23

I see what you did there... Agschmid Jul 2014 #72

LOL! Adsos Letter Jul 2014 #130

...according to RT... SidDithers Jul 2014 #18

They never did "Claim" any such thing . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #22

yes they just pushed that story Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #30

You were pushing this yourself yesterday maddezmom Jul 2014 #31

WOW!`They most certainly did claim it and you fell for the lie. eom MohRokTah Jul 2014 #64

TASS has been a very reliable news source over the decades Roy Serohz Jul 2014 #24

Yep, and no American military personnel have ever reported having seen UFO's . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #28

Changing the subject, are we? Roy Serohz Jul 2014 #48

more bulllshit Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #26

Do you have a link to that initial report? another_liberal Jul 2014 #32

How many times are you going to ask for a link and then ignore it? maddezmom Jul 2014 #33

The source I've seen links to is of highly dubious authenticity, to say the least. another_liberal Jul 2014 #36

you mean like your RT links Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #38

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2014 #45

You have the nerve to label those links as highly dubuous, IronGate Jul 2014 #76

are you going to ignore this video evidence Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #39

Don't misunderstand me . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #50

I think you are now pulling back, funny Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #53

Walking it back now? nt. IronGate Jul 2014 #77

Heehee!! The backtracking doth begin! nt Codeine Jul 2014 #92

Hours before the crash, Russia closed four airways near the Ukrainian border Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #37

Ukraine had also announced it was closing that part of their airspace . . . another_liberal Jul 2014 #43

Link? maddezmom Jul 2014 #44

he will not supply it but demands it of others Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #47

below 32000 feet is my understanding by Eurocontrol Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #46

Why do you keep posting outright lies from Putin? MohRokTah Jul 2014 #63

That ship sailed a long time ago...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #66

Especially since it is now confirmed that the Separatists fired the missile. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #67

Confirmed? By whom? LisaL Jul 2014 #79

US Intelligence triangulated the trajectory. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #80

Just like the New York Times did the other war. Octafish Jul 2014 #103

rt again, huh? gosh, what did Infowars say about this? PeaceNikki Jul 2014 #65

This survived a jury - the op that is JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #68

Censorship isn't quite so popular this morning? Good! another_liberal Jul 2014 #70

Yes not popular, too bad your source loves it... Agschmid Jul 2014 #73

I'm juror #5 JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #74

thanks Gen.. Juror #6 has a handle on the situation.. too bad some can't figure it out. Cha Jul 2014 #75

Give it up.You're just embarrassing now.nt sufrommich Jul 2014 #78

Is this DU or Infowars? Alex Jones, is that you? n/t ReverendDeuce Jul 2014 #81

RT is not an unbiased new source. MineralMan Jul 2014 #82

An unbiases source? MattSh Jul 2014 #86

Not RT, when it comes to Ukraine. MineralMan Jul 2014 #96

Not any news source attached to any government involved with Ukraine? MattSh Jul 2014 #117

Frankly, I do not rely on any single source of news. MineralMan Jul 2014 #118

I long for the simpler days when the Putin fans were merely defending inhuman bigotry toward Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #83

you really crack me up, so what is it about mother Rus-Si-A you love so much? snooper2 Jul 2014 #87

You know that Ukraine isn't engaging in ANY antiaircraft activities, right? Simple reason... stevenleser Jul 2014 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author moondust Jul 2014 #94

Yeah, let's just forget the constant complaints about "Russian" air attacks reorg Jul 2014 #97

So, you think the Ukranians would even paint a Russian plane with fire control radar? stevenleser Jul 2014 #98

I submit to your special military expertise on that reorg Jul 2014 #99

It's not silly. Whose planes are they going to shoot down, Russia's? stevenleser Jul 2014 #100

Sure. When they prepare to take over Donetsk they're not going to defend themselves reorg Jul 2014 #102

That's right, they're not. Because they know it would cost them their country. stevenleser Jul 2014 #106

I didn't know you were one of those conspiracy theorists reorg Jul 2014 #115

Conspiracy theorist? Russia already took a part of their country. Where have YOU been? stevenleser Jul 2014 #116

Sorry, I don't follow the "tweets" of RT heads reorg Jul 2014 #123

That you don't follow news stories is something I am more than willing to accept. nt stevenleser Jul 2014 #133

More evidence of how many fucking idiots there are. William769 Jul 2014 #91

Even Were One to Take This As True, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #93

MH17 Coverage From Russia Today Forces Correspondent Sara Firth To Quit brooklynite Jul 2014 #95

I'm frickin' AMAZED! MohRokTah Jul 2014 #101

Reliable news from a Russian news agency HERVEPA Jul 2014 #104

Really. They don't even employ Judy Miller. Octafish Jul 2014 #105

What is your point? Do you agree with the "evidence" offered in the article? maddezmom Jul 2014 #107

My point is that attacking the poster for mentioning RT is bullshit. Octafish Jul 2014 #110

The member uses it and believes it. Just like those who pushed Judith Miller. maddezmom Jul 2014 #112

In the USA, the press helped Nixon and Reagan (with Bush Sr) get away with treason. Octafish Jul 2014 #127

And? maddezmom Jul 2014 #128

Why do you keep insisting I answer how you want? I would think my answer was obvious. Octafish Jul 2014 #134

Well, RT is part of the Russian government which now has a war criminal at the helm. stevenleser Jul 2014 #109

Convicted of what? MattSh Jul 2014 #113

Ah, so Bush and Cheney are not war criminals because they haven't been convicted? stevenleser Jul 2014 #114

Still, convicted of what? Directly or indirectly... MattSh Jul 2014 #120

Cold But Fair, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #121

Exactly. Which is why you pushing the idea that CIA doesn't interfere with US press is so puzzling. Octafish Jul 2014 #124

That comment doesnt say what you seem to be asserting it does. nt stevenleser Jul 2014 #132

No, but the thread does. You insisted CIA kept out of US news. Octafish Jul 2014 #135

So you bought into the CIA killed Hastings. Not surprised. maddezmom Jul 2014 #136

Thanks for putting words in my mouth. Octafish Jul 2014 #137

I'm beginning to think that RT should be classified along with Alex Jones, etc. KamaAina Jul 2014 #108

I've classified it as such for a long time. MineralMan Jul 2014 #111

Ironically,Alex Jones uses RT nonsense as sufrommich Jul 2014 #119

Thanks. Agschmid Jul 2014 #122

For your viewing pleasure. William769 Jul 2014 #125

RT? weren't they the ones that said the rebels didn't have the ability to do this? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #126

RT are the one's that went down the rabbit hole with Alice. William769 Jul 2014 #129

lol hrmjustin Jul 2014 #131