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Spider Jerusalem

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7. Well...

Sat Jul 19, 2014, 04:44 PM

Jul 2014

I don't think they see it as "supporting Putin" so much as "opposition to the imposition of Western-style austerity capitalism on Ukraine via IMF bailouts and harsh conditions for EU accession". (This is how the issues around the Ukraine-EU agreement are most commonly framed.) Which is a wilfully blind way of looking at the issue; the most relevant comparison would be with the other Eastern European states in the former Soviet sphere of influence that have acceded to the EU; Poland and the Balkan states have all experienced significant economic growth from EU membership that they wouldn't have had they remained aligned with Russia.

Of course the historical issues of Russification in the Ukrainian east since Tsarist times, coupled with Putin's revanchist tendencies and the geostrategic importance of the base at Sevastopol for the Russian Navy, make the Ukrainian situation somewhat unique.

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I'm not sure "pro-Russia", or "pro-Putin" is the right term Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #1

I can understand that BainsBane Jul 2014 #3

Well... Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #7

That still doesn't explain BainsBane Jul 2014 #14

"The US government lied about WMD in Iraq! And the US media backed them up!" Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #16

Thanks BainsBane Jul 2014 #46

I've been mulling over that Freudian thing since last night... Hekate Jul 2014 #25

You nailed it! Coventina Jul 2014 #2

Granted, I haven't paid close attention, but I really haven't seen cali Jul 2014 #4

Well, there's one guy, who got a handful of people to agree with him Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #5

Try this: muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #10

yep, that person is full of shit and definitely an apologist for Putin cali Jul 2014 #13

Well, at least he/she nailed my first bullet point from this OP snooper2 Jul 2014 #17

You tried this gambit once before, OilemFirchen Jul 2014 #12

coy is one thing I'm not bucko. And yes, I maintain that it's a very small minority cali Jul 2014 #15

I was being generous. OilemFirchen Jul 2014 #19

I saw what you did there Hekate Jul 2014 #23

Don't tell anyone. OilemFirchen Jul 2014 #24

Yes, my male chauvenist oinker pal, because you have evidence of that right? cali Jul 2014 #26

You should get together with BainsBane. OilemFirchen Jul 2014 #33

what? you think I actually give a fuck about your gender? bzzzt. cali Jul 2014 #34

You gave a fuck about my gender in your preceding post. OilemFirchen Jul 2014 #39

BRAVO, BRAVO! conservaphobe Jul 2014 #6

what or who are you referring to? As you specifically cali Jul 2014 #8

Didn't even read what you posted. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #18

fair enough. cali Jul 2014 #27

Lordy Aerows Jul 2014 #9

Welcome to CostCo... I love you... Electric Monk Jul 2014 #43

Remember to Just Ask Questions mathematic Jul 2014 #11

. Rex Jul 2014 #20

ant-American cred...really??? U4ikLefty Jul 2014 #21

Well Done, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #22

I think I've seen more posts about Putin/Russia fans than I have actual.. Putin/Russia fans cali Jul 2014 #30

As You Said, Ma'am, You Have Not Been Paying Much Attention To Events In Ukraine The Magistrate Jul 2014 #31

actually, my magistrial friend, I did not say that. cali Jul 2014 #35

In Any Case, Ma'am, You Made Clear You Do Not Know Anything About the Subject You Commented On The Magistrate Jul 2014 #37

No, my magisterial friend, I did not. I said I didn't cali Jul 2014 #44

Thank You For The Laugh, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2014 #45

That poster has also been boomersense, plethoro and neoralme... SidDithers Jul 2014 #40

Indeed, Sir: His Name Is Legion The Magistrate Jul 2014 #42

You realize you just argued against Union Scribe Jul 2014 #28

No, Sir, He Did Not The Magistrate Jul 2014 #32

K and R DonCoquixote Jul 2014 #29

It's possible to discuss this with being neither pro-russian or anti-american Astrad Jul 2014 #36

This gone beyond leftist has a proud and pure net record of despising that hateful venomous toad. nt Zorra Jul 2014 #38

I'm sickened by the scores of John Bircher Style Reactionary Red Baiting appearing on this site 2banon Jul 2014 #41

Reds? Where are 'reds' involved in this? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #48

+1 cui bono Jul 2014 #49

Where are these Putinistas all coming from? mainer Jul 2014 #47