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renegade000

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12. we should also remember

Mon Jul 21, 2014, 05:10 PM

Jul 2014

a fact that seems to be forgotten. many ukrainian soldiers in eastern ukraine defected to the separatist side: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/04/ukraines-offensive-falters-as-elite-units-defect-to-pro-russia-side/
taking with them uniforms, equipment, etc.

at this point arguments that rely on what people are wearing/what people are using are pretty worthless.
the location of the launch point is more telling. i doubt unknown soldiers driving around a highly-valuable mobile SAM-battery would have not aroused the attentions of the rebel forces. i mean, if we really want to get deep into CT speculation, a plausible CT could be that some of the defectors were not really defectors, but rather undercover double-agents that were waiting to basically pull something that would embarrass the separatists/Russia. hard to prove/disprove that without a lot more detailed intelligence about the people responsible.

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Russian govt and RT.com VALIDATE crucial US claim re: MH17 [View all] geek tragedy Jul 2014 OP

Yeah, Ukrainian deployment of SAM batteries makes zero sense... Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #1

Behind rebel lines at grave risk to the troops transporting them, no less nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #3

Maybe they like to drive them around or they are scared from reports about Russian planes jakeXT Jul 2014 #29

And? Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #32

That is one picture from July 4th, your statement was that it makes zero sense to deploy SAMs jakeXT Jul 2014 #33

Nice catch. Wait Wut Jul 2014 #2

"One wonders why the Russians released those photos." JackRiddler Jul 2014 #4

Well, they did lie when they said it was impossible geek tragedy Jul 2014 #5

But Robert Parry's hairdresser knows a guy... SidDithers Jul 2014 #6

obviously they were trying to shoot down Putin's plane geek tragedy Jul 2014 #8

So tired of the freaking CTs who twist themselves into pretzels blaming America Cha Jul 2014 #14

And people wonder why we are not buying the propaganda shit thrown at us. William769 Jul 2014 #7

Because we're "considering the source". :( Cha Jul 2014 #15

And that bull sure has a lot coming out his back end. William769 Jul 2014 #17

Yeah, it's not our fault we were Cha Jul 2014 #24

I like to use this one. William769 Jul 2014 #25

Rofl! Too funny! Cha Jul 2014 #28

But but but Robert Parry! The patriot/journalist extraordinaire! redqueen Jul 2014 #9

I think we should wait until Parry lets us know what brand of beer bottles geek tragedy Jul 2014 #11

Not beer! Nor drunken Ukrainians, according to this video: freshwest Jul 2014 #34

Oh, wait, not so fast. It's probably beer. This is also sad: freshwest Jul 2014 #35

somebody is making money off that nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #36

Millions, it says, just on a few of the events. And those children crying. Generations lost. freshwest Jul 2014 #37

Who unfortunately is so full of shit sometimes it causes his Cha Jul 2014 #19

That's good. Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2014 #10

we should also remember renegade000 Jul 2014 #12

No, it doesn't. Igel Jul 2014 #13

according to the WSJ, Russians said the missiles were inside Luhansk and Dotesk geek tragedy Jul 2014 #16

I don't know why the fuck some people are pretending the jury is still out. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #18

Seemingly because they have to much invested in Russia Good/USA BAD. Cha Jul 2014 #20

That is the conclusion I've come to as well. nt conservaphobe Jul 2014 #21

They want to believe that the world is ruled by a massive neocon conspiracy jeff47 Jul 2014 #23

Thank you this news, geek. Shame on Russia trying to slither out. Cha Jul 2014 #22

I mean, who do they think they're kidding? geek tragedy Jul 2014 #30

They're "kidding" the Russians at home and the hate America first crowd.. the hate blinds Cha Jul 2014 #31

Powell-esque moment. They tried to claim an Su-25 did it. joshcryer Jul 2014 #26

Clown show. nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #27