Some on the left have defended the anti-gay, warmongering Putin a million more times than Obama.

[cui bono]

210. I gave you a stellar example and you don't want to accept it.

It clearly stated that once the TPP was enacted, then it could be discussed.

I'm not saying you said that but you are not accepting that other people have said that on here. Enough people have said it that wisecracks are made about that "talking point" by several other members.

And now you are trying to deflect from this issue by bringing up people mocking other people. How about we stick to what we are talking about, the stifling of discussion. That stifling is purposely attempted because those who are attempting to stifle it simply cannot stand to hear any criticism of the current administration. So you agree with that? Do you think that's okay?

So there's a thread mocking Obama supporters. Do you want me to find threads by those supporters mocking people who don't see the world as black and white? That's not what we are talking about. We are talking about attempts to not allow open and honest discussions simply because it makes the current administration look bad. And now you are attempting to derail this discussion just as the apologists attempt to derail any discussion that is critical of Obama.

The only people I've seen on here who actually have said you can't say anything until it "exists" are the Obama apologists who do not want a robust discussion if it isn't applauding whatever Obama does. And that is not healthy for democracy, in fact it will be the death of it if it is allowed.