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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts) Thu Jul 31, 2014, 11:44 PM Jul 2014

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Think for a moment: the CIA got caught spying on Congress [View all]

And after the CIA's director told us that this could not possibly have happened... turns out it happened, they 'fessed up today. But why would Mr. Brennan tell the truth? In this White House, liars like Gen. Clapper keep their jobs while truth tellers like John Kiriakou go to prison.

And the CIA also threatened to throw Congressional staff in jail for doing their job. Classy!

In any case: could there be any greater challenge to our Constitution than the Executive spying on, and threatening Congress?

Suppose we read a story about a banana republic, that described how the head of the intelligence service (promoted to his position after being involved in torture) was spying on and threatening members of the legislature who were investigating his agency.

Well, that's us.

Let's talk a little more about why the CIA was 'spying' on the Senate Intelligence Committee
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025320097

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Think for a moment: the CIA got caught spying on Congress [View all] MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 OP

Why do you hate America? Newsjock Jul 2014 #1

Congress hates America! grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #70

America hates America onethatcares Aug 2014 #71

- be a big argument about it.... BUT, they'd actually have real arguments about stuff they actually grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #97

Why does the CIA hate America, more to the point? LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #90

Yes, unfortunately we are heading towards being no better than some sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #2

I think we are there easychoice Aug 2014 #22

Water under the bridge; we're looking forward! gratuitous Aug 2014 #3

I've heard of hitting the nail on the head mindwalker_i Aug 2014 #4

Here's to kinder friendlier oligarchs. think Aug 2014 #5

+1000 JDPriestly Aug 2014 #8

Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #47

Dude, they are the CIA. Of course they lied. They are the CIA aikoaiko Aug 2014 #6

K&R. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #7

The NSA/CIA Cabal is it's own branch of government and doesn't answer to Congress rhett o rick Aug 2014 #9

That's what I'm thinking. (eom) MustBeTheBooz Aug 2014 #19

The prototype was Hoover's FBI. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #23

Well, it hasn't answered to anyone hifiguy Aug 2014 #57

The head branch. Octafish Aug 2014 #91

the executive agency impeding the investigation of a co-equal branch of government bigtree Aug 2014 #10

Yes, your post deserves it. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #13

The question is: Is anything going to be done about it? TT_Progress Aug 2014 #25

That trillion gallons of toxic sewage ain't no bathwater and there is no baby in it. TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #12

So, all that Constitution-stripping stuff G W Bush pushed thru after 9/11...it was all premeditated? blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #24

And the 1933 Business Plot (from Wikipedia): Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author XRubicon Aug 2014 #75

K&R ReRe Aug 2014 #14

Here's an idea... JEB Aug 2014 #15

Those who voted for that would start dropping like flies. hifiguy Aug 2014 #58

Isn't it odd that Clapper and Brennan lie to Congress with impunity and get to keep their jobs. pa28 Aug 2014 #16

14 Characteristics of Fascism (http://rense.com/general37/char.htm) blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #28

We're already there. This is also the platform of the neocons and their minions. QuestForSense Aug 2014 #35

Congress lies to the voters all the time, nothing surprises anymore DJ13 Aug 2014 #29

Or the elected officials are perfectly aware of what Clapper & Brennan Lurks Often Aug 2014 #94

Keep it simple: The 1%, MONEY. controls the government. nt Zorra Aug 2014 #17

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #26

I agree, but it would be good to know more about how. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #92

You say "In this WH" like it hasn't been going on for 60 years. Zen Democrat Aug 2014 #18

Nixon did fire his Director of Central Intelligence MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #20

Apropos. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #49

WE. ARE. THE. BANANA. REPUBLIC. DeSwiss Aug 2014 #21

But it has gone up a few notches since those times TT_Progress Aug 2014 #27

That we know of. DeSwiss Aug 2014 #38

Crazy isn't it? TT_Progress Aug 2014 #40

Just for the record... defacto7 Aug 2014 #30

For the record...... DeSwiss Aug 2014 #39

Understood. defacto7 Aug 2014 #61

After World War II, Hitler was dead. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #52

Understood. Thank you. defacto7 Aug 2014 #62

Holy cow. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #44

But we have the best bananas in the world, so it's all good. winter is coming Aug 2014 #51

I think Nancy Pelosi had it right KauaiK Aug 2014 #31

It has been since late November 1963. hifiguy Aug 2014 #59

Ah, the legacy of the OSS and CIG - a bureaucracy that doesn't answer to anyone. EEO Aug 2014 #32

And we know that, if this came out.... Helen Borg Aug 2014 #33

Seems so doesn't it TT_Progress Aug 2014 #41

I for one, kneel before and welcome our new Overlords. Separation Aug 2014 #34

Who's the modern day Frank Church? Anybody??... PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #36

Paul Wellstone was like Frank Church. Octafish Aug 2014 #46

A friend of mine was flying Coleman to the same destination hifiguy Aug 2014 #60

Another oddity: Wellstone co-pilot pointed out '20th hijacker' Moussaoui wanted to fly 747... Octafish Aug 2014 #65

Last I heard of her she's fine and flying. hifiguy Aug 2014 #66

K&R SamKnause Aug 2014 #37

Kick. Scuba Aug 2014 #42

K&R times 1000. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #43

surely the surveillance state fans will jump right in here.... KG Aug 2014 #45

Any minute now... nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #48

It's incredible, no? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #53

I noticed the same on this other thread too riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #64

DURec leftstreet Aug 2014 #50

kick for later n/t hootinholler Aug 2014 #56

File another lawsuit Manny. One against the WH and one against Gen. Clapper. tridim Aug 2014 #63

Sounds like you're cool with the CIA spying on Congress. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #69

I like how the poster slammed you with nary a word about the CIA spying on Congress. neverforget Aug 2014 #83

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2014 #67

Holy hell MissDeeds Aug 2014 #68

So? Garthem Aug 2014 #72

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #73

nothing to think about. rogue agency. shut it down. now. spanone Aug 2014 #74

anyone got the jury results for post #47? grasswire Aug 2014 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #87

The CIA lied? BainsBane Aug 2014 #77

I shudder to ask... MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #82

I am saying it is absurd to declare it an unprecedented constitutional crisis BainsBane Aug 2014 #84

Let's keep this simple. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #85

Since WWII? BainsBane Aug 2014 #89

Slow down a moment. So many points you've raised. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #95

I'm saying it is not unprecedented BainsBane Aug 2014 #99

You traitor! NealK Aug 2014 #78

Well, as long as Congress is deadlocked like this, there will never be any consequences. salib Aug 2014 #79

This leaves the door wide open for the next Republican administration.. raindaddy Aug 2014 #80

I've been calling them Banana Republicons since Utopian Leftist Aug 2014 #81

Congress created this monster and they will have to kill it. The Congress Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #86

kick nt grasswire Aug 2014 #88

An important OP Oilwellian Aug 2014 #93

I think Obama needs to clean house. Calista241 Aug 2014 #96

We can outsource everything they do to google and facebook... Wait, they already do. grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #98

kick woo me with science Aug 2014 #100