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AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 02:02 PM Aug 2014

Fresh Focus on Siberian Permafrost as Hole Count Rises: DotEarth. [View all]

Okay, I realize this article is a couple of weeks old, but it's so good, I just had to share it. I'm sure many of you have been paying attention to the Siberian hole discoveries of late, whether out of worry, or curiosity, or perhaps, a mixture of the two. Well, in any case, Andrew Revkin of the impeccable DotEarth blog did an interview with Marina Leibman, one of the chief scientists of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, who happens to be a veteran permafrost expert with as much as 40 years' experience in her field.

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/fresh-focus-on-siberian-permafrost-as-second-hole-is-reported/?_php=true&_type=blogs&module=BlogPost-ReadMore&version=Blog%20Main&action=Click&contentCollection=arctic&pgtype=Blogs&region=Body&_r=0#more-52809

I had a Skype chat Wednesday about Siberian permafrost in the context of climate change with Marina Leibman, a top Russian permafrost expert who had just returned from examining the unusual crater spotted on the Yamal Peninsula in Siberia late last week.

We talked just before fresh reports circulated about reindeer herders finding another such hole in the region.....

Leibman, the chief scientist at the Earth Cryosphere Institute of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, has studied permafrost since 1973 and has a remarkable publication record.

She describes how the first hole (and presumably the new one) appear to have formed as methane is released from a warming mix of ice, water and soil, building up pressure that explosively pushed out the top of the hole, heaving chunks of earth many yards in some directions.....

She said there were no signs of combustion, that the hole had to be at least a year old because there was fresh greenery from this summer season with no overlying layer of mud or the like.

Leibman stressed that there were no indications that such events were more than the normal process of lake formation in the area and predicted that the hole she inspected would end up being a lake in coming years.

She also stressed that she sees no signs of current or imminent warming producing a great destabilization of permafrost in the Arctic: “You can’t say in 20 years it will be 2 degrees warmer so permafrost will be thawing. It will make it 2 degrees warmer, but not thawing – at least in the far north.....


So, there we go. To be honest, this doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned about permafrost anymore. We should be. However, though, this does shine some (much needed!) new light on the phenomenon and may hopefully bring the conversation a little bit back towards Earth.


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TBH A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2014 #1
... redqueen Aug 2014 #5
+1 XemaSab Aug 2014 #21
Joe is saying, TBH, it's really not that bad CreekDog Aug 2014 #25
That's false and you know it. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #26
FYI... ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2014 #31
"And frankly" A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2014 #34
TBD BainsBane Aug 2014 #28
Russia loves global warming RobertEarl Aug 2014 #2
The oligarchs also thrive on paralyzing fear, too. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #3
No Fear!! RobertEarl Aug 2014 #4
*eyeroll*. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #6
Russia doesn't fear it RobertEarl Aug 2014 #7
*Paralyzing* fear. That's what I said. And there IS a difference. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #10
What's the difference? RobertEarl Aug 2014 #14
Here you are just trying to give away free climate change back rubs A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2014 #8
Is that the case, IYHO? Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2014 #9
I love back rubs, to be honest, A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2014 #11
I guess it all depends on who's doing the rubbing, IMHO nt Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2014 #15
You know when somebody's got kinda clammy hands... A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2014 #16
So, I guess you're willing to totally discard..... AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #12
DISLIKE YOU? A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2014 #13
So Joe, you're saying that we shouldn't fear climate change? CreekDog Aug 2014 #24
"So Joe, you're saying that we shouldn't fear climate change?" I didn't say..... AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #32
Interesting read. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #17
You're welcome. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #20
The problem with all of these climate deathrind Aug 2014 #18
"They hedge their bets too much" This is true, in a way, but not quite how you thought, TBH. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #19
well how good are you at predicting something that's never happened before? CreekDog Aug 2014 #23
Fair point. deathrind Aug 2014 #35
I am 100% this article was not written so that you can say this news isn't as bad as we thought CreekDog Aug 2014 #22
"you still are trying to minimize any news you read." According to whom? AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #27
Honestly, true story, with much truth and justice in the world and minimal embellishment I say Rex Aug 2014 #29
LOL. Is Ragnarok upon us, perhaps? =p AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #30
'Permanent decline fantasies' or 'next extinction cycle'? All fantasy has it's roots in reality. Rex Aug 2014 #33
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