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BainsBane

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58. What el bryanto described is social control
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 12:25 AM
Aug 2014

That is a key component of capitalism. The sex industry involves the control and ownership of other people's bodies: prostitution of underage boys and girls, children, and a slave trade that feeds the desires of predators.

Pretending this is about allowing a women controlling her own sexuality is absurd. At best prostitution is a job. It is not an expression of sexuality. Sex workers don't enjoy it. They do it due to economic privation.
At worst, prostitution is about owning other human beings. That allows no control over any part of a person's own life much less their sexuality. A 9, 10 or 12 year old turned out on the streets does not "control her sexuality." Men control it. Human traffickers control it.

That you have some theoretical notion of what prostitution might be in your capitalist never never land has nothing to do with the reality of the sex trade. Legalization has been shown to increase human trafficking--slavery. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1986065

The solution lies in minimizing harm, but when people refuse to consider the lives of those caught up in the sex trade, of anyone but themselves, there is no way to create a solution that does anything but further exploitation.

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I think you're looking at life through blinders. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #1
My cannabis use has never harmed another person. kestrel91316 Aug 2014 #30
You're not representative of the trade as a whole. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #63
We might try to focus on the real crimes 4now Aug 2014 #2
Prosecute rapists, human traffickers and impaired drivers to the full extent of the law. Kurska Aug 2014 #3
Just so people know, the OP is talking about me BainsBane Aug 2014 #4
Well, you among many. I just liked your thread title and thought it would make my point succinctly. JJChambers Aug 2014 #5
Instead of copycatting other people's titles, why not make up your own? nt redqueen Aug 2014 #7
Changing one word of an existing thread title to make a point has a hallowed tradition here JJChambers Aug 2014 #12
In the lounge, or about jokey topics. When it has been used in threads regarding feminist issues.... redqueen Aug 2014 #19
A woman's right to choose, to be free from puritanicals trying to outlaw her choices, JJChambers Aug 2014 #21
You claiming to be concerned about feminist issues redqueen Aug 2014 #24
Should a woman not be free to choose what to do with her own body? JJChambers Aug 2014 #27
Yes, she should. But we can still critique the social context in which said choices are made. nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #61
In other words, it's about the people who don't matter BainsBane Aug 2014 #14
Wow tea and oranges Aug 2014 #17
People have a lot of theories about a Utopia that follows legalization BainsBane Aug 2014 #54
I read the article you linked to tea and oranges Aug 2014 #66
WTF is "imaginary" about a woman who was propositioned for sex as a young child? nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #6
Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #9
Um. no. Those are real women being raped on porn sets. redqueen Aug 2014 #8
The rape is the problem, not porn. The trafficking is the problem, not prostitution in general. Kurska Aug 2014 #10
Wrong. This is not complicated. redqueen Aug 2014 #11
Why, because you say so? Kurska Aug 2014 #13
Because reality exists. Apparently you prefer your imagination. redqueen Aug 2014 #15
Explain why the brothel I described is impossible. Kurska Aug 2014 #16
I doubt I'm ever getting an answer Kurska Aug 2014 #18
You have obviously read exactly jack shit about the reality that women and children suffer in redqueen Aug 2014 #22
Let me explain. We're having something called a debate. Kurska Aug 2014 #25
The commodification of the female body encourages men to think of women as property el_bryanto Aug 2014 #40
I'm not interested in social control, frankly. Kurska Aug 2014 #52
What el bryanto described is social control BainsBane Aug 2014 #58
This is where we differ I suppose - in how much control a woman would actually have over her el_bryanto Aug 2014 #62
So... you know better than them what they should do with their bodies? Kurska Aug 2014 #67
I'm saying that we live in a world in which women are treated as objects el_bryanto Aug 2014 #68
RealityTV for everyone to see! JJChambers Aug 2014 #20
Nice try buddy, that doesn't fit with my worldview at all. Enjoy my ignore list! Kurska Aug 2014 #23
The problem we have with this debate JJChambers Aug 2014 #26
In many cases I don't even think it is emotional baggage. Kurska Aug 2014 #29
Your estimation is a fabrication BainsBane Aug 2014 #72
Seriously what is the point of replying to nearly a month old post. Kurska Aug 2014 #73
Jury results. Inkfreak Aug 2014 #43
Uh oh Kurska Aug 2014 #46
No.. because... opiate69 Aug 2014 #32
Strange times Kurska Aug 2014 #33
Insert "bedfellows" pun at will opiate69 Aug 2014 #34
+1 Kurska Aug 2014 #35
Because caring about slavery and child rape BainsBane Aug 2014 #59
Laugh. RWers USE prostitutes and porn far more often. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #64
the "girls" are "free to quit at any moment?" "GIRLS"?!!? zazen Aug 2014 #37
Oh my lord, individuals call grown men and women girls or even boys all the time. Kurska Aug 2014 #44
Because the commodification of a woman's sexuality involves objectification theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #47
Women AND men have the right commodify or objectify themselves if they decide to. Kurska Aug 2014 #49
I answered the questions you posed in your post theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #51
You're tell me that, I don't have a right to use my body to perform a sexual service for money. Kurska Aug 2014 #53
Nope, that's not what I said theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #55
While we're at it, what about our right to work for less than minimum wage? kcr Aug 2014 #69
She is talking about how things really are BainsBane Aug 2014 #60
Given that in nations that legalize prostitution, there is a corresponding increase mythology Aug 2014 #28
One study, which I trust as much as the studies that said Marijuana was worse than alcohol. Kurska Aug 2014 #31
and serious research on the harms of pornography can't make it past IRB zazen Aug 2014 #41
Everytime I hear someone talking about the "harms of pornography" on du Kurska Aug 2014 #42
I could provide you with at least a dozen citations theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #48
Some types of people deny the findings of evil government agencies, in favor of industry-backed redqueen Aug 2014 #36
Strawman JJChambers Aug 2014 #38
what a bullshite false analogy TheSarcastinator Aug 2014 #45
Why do you think he conflated the two in the OP? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #65
Research shows otherwise theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #50
human beings(mostly women) shouldn't be compared to things like drugs, the right wing does it JI7 Aug 2014 #56
Yep. It's called objectification theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #57
Post removed Post removed Aug 2014 #39
"Pet Issues"? Well, seeing as you've had your posting privileges removed... NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #70
Thank you, NYC_Skp BainsBane Aug 2014 #71
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