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MicaelS

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21. Because some people can't see past his anti-war and anti-drug war rhetoric...
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 03:53 PM
Dec 2011
"Paul is a Republican, and he's anti war, and anti-drug war, he's wonderful!!"

Paul is profoundly anti-choice. He thinks private business should be able to discriminate on the basis of race.

The fascination of some people on the Left with Paul reminds me of the same type fascination with Eisenhower, simply because of his anti MIC speech as he left office. Despite the fact he presided over the enormous buildup of the US Nuclear Arsenal, and regularly contemplated Thermonuclear War with the USSR. Eisenhower was no Dove.

"Eisenhower's a Republican, and he's anti war, and anti-MIC, he's wonderful!!"

http://hnn.us/articles/47326.html

Peace activists love to quote Dwight Eisenhower. The iconic Republican war hero who spoke so eloquently about the dangers of war and the need for disarmament makes a terrific poster-boy for peace. The image of Eisenhower as the “man of peace” is so useful that I almost hate to burst the bubble. But if you look at the historical record there is no escaping the other Eisenhower: the Eisenhower who said “he would rather be atomized than communized,” who reminds us how dangerous the cold war era really was and how easily political leaders can mask their intentions with benign images.


Early on, he noted in his diary what he later said in public: nuclear weapons would now be “treated just as another weapon in the arsenal.” “We have got to be in a position to use that weapon,” he insisted to Dulles. That became official policy in NSC 5810/1, which declared the U.S. intention to treat nuclear weapons “as conventional weapons; and to use them whenever required to achieve national objectives.” By early 1957, Eisenhower told the NSC that there could be no conventional battles any more: “The only sensible thing for us to do was to put all our resources into our SAC capability and into hydrogen bombs.” He found it “frustrating not to have plans to use nuclear weapons generally accepted.”

His whole reason for fighting was to prevent the communists from imposing a totalitarian state in America. He had long recognized the irony that nuclear war would lead to the very totalitarianism he abhorred. But he confessed to the Cabinet that he saw no way to avoid it: “He was coming more and more to the conclusion that … we would have to run this country as one big camp—severely regimented.” After reading plans for placing the nation under martial law, giving the president power to “requisition all of the nation’s resources–human and material,” he pronounced them “sound.”

It is hard to give up the “man of peace” that peace activists have come to admire. And perhaps it’s not fair to give him up. After all, we can never know what another person truly believes. But the record of the other Eisenhower is so consistent and so extensive (I’ve offered only a sampling here) that it is hard to ignore. More importantly, it is dangerous to ignore, because the other Eisenhower was the one who made actual policy. It was a policy that put anticommunist ideology above human life, made by a man who would “push [his] whole stack of chips into the pot” and “hit ‘em … with everything in the bucket”; a man who would “shoot your enemy before he shoots you” and “hit the guy fast with all you’ve got”; a man who believed that the U.S. could “pick itself up from the floor” and win the war, even though “everybody is going crazy,” as long as only 25 or 30 American cities got “shellacked” and nobody got too “hysterical.”

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Ron Paul is not a Democrat so why the concern with the criticism? livetohike Dec 2011 #1
Probably because on the scale of nuts to fucking nuts sharp_stick Dec 2011 #2
Because, people here promote the clown. n/t FSogol Dec 2011 #3
Exactly. HappyMe Dec 2011 #6
My theory? People around here like populists. So, when a populist FSogol Dec 2011 #8
Oy. I have a hard time wrapping my brain around single issue voters. HappyMe Dec 2011 #12
There was in influx of short-lived posters defending and supporting Ron Paul in the last few days... SidDithers Dec 2011 #4
True, but people have been supporting him here (well, at DU2) for a while. n/t FSogol Dec 2011 #9
He's a lunatic. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #5
And when the POTUS CALMLY whips out his wintersolstice Dec 2011 #25
Ah, a disgruntled Paul fan. great white snark Dec 2011 #30
He's a different kind of crazy than the Republicrats. That's all. saras Dec 2011 #7
Wish more people my age would realize that. rep the dems Dec 2011 #37
Thanks for your concern SecularMotion Dec 2011 #10
There is a very vocal cult of personality developing around him on the internet cowcommander Dec 2011 #11
Ron Paul is the only semi-credible candidate on the ballot who is ... Laelth Dec 2011 #13
you don't need to be compromised if your principles naturally align with the powers that be... renegade000 Dec 2011 #15
I'm not advocating for the guy. I would never vote for the guy. Laelth Dec 2011 #16
in those two sectors sure... renegade000 Dec 2011 #17
I think I hear you correctly. Laelth Dec 2011 #20
Decriminalization of pot sharp_stick Dec 2011 #18
I forgot to mention the prison industry. You're right about that. Laelth Dec 2011 #19
I think you've made some important observations markpkessinger Dec 2011 #29
I can't claim to understand what's motivating younger voters. Laelth Dec 2011 #31
Spot-on. Just wanted you to know that. n/t Zalatix Dec 2011 #36
He's not really much of a threat to the powers that be LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #26
Well, yes and no. Laelth Dec 2011 #28
Not peel off Democrats... peel off potential Obama voters cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #14
Because some people can't see past his anti-war and anti-drug war rhetoric... MicaelS Dec 2011 #21
It's anti-troll bulwarking. iris27 Dec 2011 #22
Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #23
"Cupcake"? Excuse you? WTF? iris27 Dec 2011 #27
As someone who has been concerned about this issue for 4 years, despite not living in America... LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #24
Singled out? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2011 #32
And just when I was thinking that the inordinate number of postings here these days musette_sf Dec 2011 #33
Isn't is better to have at least one Republican candidate who wants to cut military spending? think Dec 2011 #34
I think they are concerned he pulls liberals mmonk Dec 2011 #35
You're wrong. Iggo Dec 2011 #38
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