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In reply to the discussion: If a button gave you 1 million dollars for pressing it, but killed 1 random human being in the world [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)43. Agreed. And if someone else does push that button, our buttons get pushed. Keeps going on.
And all peoples must agree to not push their own button - and all at the same time and for the future - or we'll all still have buttons.
Those with opposing buttons will want to verify others won't push their own. This is what treaties and diplomacy are about.
Going further with provocative questions:
Can humans trust other humans to restrain their desire to take land, resources, impose their lifestyle, religion, etc. on others for their vision or comfort?
How does one prevent those conflicts before buttons are pushed the first time, if humans will not agree to grant others freedoms we value, land, resources, etc. long before any of the buttons are pushed?
Even worse to consider:
Is this how 'just wars' begin or end?
Is there anything good about pushing a button in such a complex world with so many conflicting interests?
Can an analogy as the OP presents apply to real world situations?
The OP speaks of an experiment and offers a moral test that implies omipotence in such decisions. It's in a vacuum, not the real world where all is connected.
But I just don't buy the analogy of a person making $1M for killing one person. Our leaders don't get rich per kill. They work under the belief that, for the most part, they are saving the lives they treasure. Even Bush wasn't offering the lives of those he cared about but those he didn't care about, well, their deaths still helped the people he wanted to protect.
While Cheney appears to have been directly enriched from the wars, it was more about his cabal. Consider ISIS or other mass murderers in history. They believe(d) themselves to be worth more than others, and have or will gleefully kill anyone who gets in the way of their vision.
So 'It's a good thing,' to them, not to others.
Some will kill one for an insurance settlement, to take their property or get something else they value more than another person's life.
Anyway, I've got work to do, hope you will give me your answers.
Given the dry format of the question being posed, no, I would not. But I've seen too many who would. And that is why buttons exist.
Those with opposing buttons will want to verify others won't push their own. This is what treaties and diplomacy are about.
Going further with provocative questions:
Can humans trust other humans to restrain their desire to take land, resources, impose their lifestyle, religion, etc. on others for their vision or comfort?
How does one prevent those conflicts before buttons are pushed the first time, if humans will not agree to grant others freedoms we value, land, resources, etc. long before any of the buttons are pushed?
Even worse to consider:
Is this how 'just wars' begin or end?
Is there anything good about pushing a button in such a complex world with so many conflicting interests?
Can an analogy as the OP presents apply to real world situations?
The OP speaks of an experiment and offers a moral test that implies omipotence in such decisions. It's in a vacuum, not the real world where all is connected.
But I just don't buy the analogy of a person making $1M for killing one person. Our leaders don't get rich per kill. They work under the belief that, for the most part, they are saving the lives they treasure. Even Bush wasn't offering the lives of those he cared about but those he didn't care about, well, their deaths still helped the people he wanted to protect.
While Cheney appears to have been directly enriched from the wars, it was more about his cabal. Consider ISIS or other mass murderers in history. They believe(d) themselves to be worth more than others, and have or will gleefully kill anyone who gets in the way of their vision.
So 'It's a good thing,' to them, not to others.
Some will kill one for an insurance settlement, to take their property or get something else they value more than another person's life.
Anyway, I've got work to do, hope you will give me your answers.
Given the dry format of the question being posed, no, I would not. But I've seen too many who would. And that is why buttons exist.
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If a button gave you 1 million dollars for pressing it, but killed 1 random human being in the world [View all]
cpwm17
Aug 2014
OP
Dear Peggy, suppose society covered over the "random kill" so it was very hard to see...
KittyWampus
Aug 2014
#76
Agreed. And if someone else does push that button, our buttons get pushed. Keeps going on.
freshwest
Aug 2014
#43
Everyone on DU conveniently ignores the fact that the products they buy are made using sweat shops,
KittyWampus
Aug 2014
#77
I have tried to appeal to their selfish streak too. Usually they don't concede, but instead
GoneFishin
Aug 2014
#59
So you think pushing the meme that Democrats can't win in 2016 w/o H. Clinton-Sachs
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#36
FFS? Right off the bat? And then you use the idiotic meme that if you don't want H. Clinton-Sachs
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#42
No, and as cynical as I can be about politics, I do not believe our politicians go to war
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2014
#34
Oh, I don't think they'd consciously admit to it-- even to themselves-- but I definitely think
Marr
Aug 2014
#68
The word "karma" is often misused. It is not revenge. Karma determines where in the chain of life
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#40
the Buddhist conception of karma is just a recognition of the current moment is the result of
bettyellen
Aug 2014
#55
I believe the Hindu have a similar understanding of karma. The only way one can get
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#63
What if you used that million to save 1,000 lives? One life taken, 1,000 lives saved.
Vattel
Aug 2014
#46
I wouldn't press it to kill a random person. I might to kill an identified person.
Shrike47
Aug 2014
#52
The tobacco & petroleum industries also keep pressing that button and collect their cash.
SunSeeker
Aug 2014
#53
K/R. I know a Certain Someone running for POTUS who would push it, and who HAS pushed it.
NYC_SKP
Aug 2014
#62
I am not ready and never will. We need someone with integrity. Just sayin' nm
rhett o rick
Aug 2014
#64
We all push it every day with our tax money....except we don't get any $$$ in return.
cbdo2007
Aug 2014
#70
When we buy ANYTHING made in a sweatshop, we are almost certainly doing just that.
KittyWampus
Aug 2014
#74
if only it were that simple, the buttons we push don't kill like that, they stab with a
whereisjustice
Aug 2014
#91