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frazzled

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8. Arab armies conquered the Iberian peninsula beginning in 8th century AD
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:28 PM
Aug 2014

They didn't originate there. That's 2000 years after the Jews were living in the region that is now Israel (c. 1200 BCE), and continued to live there. There's a pretty big difference between Spanish Muslims declaring they wish to retake Spain: it's as if modern day Romans decided that they were indeed the real rulers of Israel and Palestinian lands, since they had conquered and ruledthem once.

Fer chrissake, THIMK.

By contrast to the "invasion" model of ownership, the establishment of the modern state of Israel was part of a series of internationally sanctioned plans that dealt with the dissolution of the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire in the early 20th century.

The land, and the Jews, had been conquered over the millennia by many empires--Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Byzantine ... and not until the 7th century AD was the region conquered by the Islamic Empire. The majority of the population then was Jews, many of whom were converted to Islam. At any rate, by 1099 the Islamic Empire was in turnconquered by the Crusaders, who ruled until 1291. Finally, by the 1500s, the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire conquered the entire region and ruled all the way until 1917. That was when the League of Nations, and then the UN, got involved in straightening out the region:

In 1917, towards the end of World War I, South Western Syria, following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire, was occupied by British forces. The United Kingdom was granted control of the area west of the River Jordan now comprising the State of Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip (Mandatory Palestine), and on the east bank of what later became Jordan (as a separate mandate) by the Versailles Peace Conference which established the League of Nations in 1919. Herbert Samuel, a former Postmaster General in the British cabinet, who was instrumental in drafting the Balfour Declaration was appointed the first High Commissioner of Mandatory Palestine, generally simply known as Palestine. During World War I the British had made two promises regarding territory in the Middle East. Britain had promised the local Arabs, through Lawrence of Arabia, independence for a united Arab country covering most of the Arab Middle East, in exchange for their supporting the British; and Britain had promised to create and foster a Jewish national home as laid out in the Balfour Declaration, 1917.

In 1947, following increasing levels of violence, the British government expressed a wish to withdraw from Palestine. The proposed plan of partition would have split Palestine into two states, an Arab state and a Jewish state, and the City of Jerusalem, giving slightly more than half the land area to the proposed Jewish state. Immediately following the adoption by the United Nations General Assembly of a resolution recommending the adoption and implementation of the Partition Plan (Resolution 181(II) ), and the subsequent declaration of statehood by the Jewish National Council, civil war broke out between the Arab community and the Jewish community, as armies of the Arab League, which rejected the Partition Plan which Israel accepted, sought to squelch the new Jewish state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel#Under_Islamic_rule_.28638.E2.80.931099.29




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I think they mean it. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #1
Was it the beheadings or the kidnappings that convinced you? WinkyDink Aug 2014 #13
They would also like a pink pony with their falafel. Tons of white groups taking back all kinds of Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #2
It makes as much sense as giving Palestine to the Jews did Generic Other Aug 2014 #3
Arab armies conquered the Iberian peninsula beginning in 8th century AD frazzled Aug 2014 #8
Yes, quite Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #32
You missed the part about UN recommendation frazzled Aug 2014 #37
I didn't say that, no Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #39
Not quite. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #15
Unfortunately, these guys really ARE scary. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #10
I suppose the Moors found the Spanish Inquisition rather SCARY!! Generic Other Aug 2014 #45
The Spanish Inquistion was a terrible thing, yes. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #47
I guess my point is that all zealots are scary! Generic Other Aug 2014 #48
My first tendency about this is to LOL. L0oniX Aug 2014 #4
The gatestone institute? ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2014 #5
Doh! AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #6
That's just pure ad hominem. Igel Aug 2014 #11
Yawn. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2014 #27
ROFL malaise Aug 2014 #30
I wonder if they've agreed on areas that simply don't interest them? IDemo Aug 2014 #7
You can kiss Boise goodbye. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #14
We should give Idaho to the Canadians davidpdx Aug 2014 #52
Seattle has already been mentioned for destruction. HeiressofBickworth Aug 2014 #55
World peace requires the entire world to be onboard. Nothing new about that vision. freshwest Aug 2014 #33
Fucking religion. Arugula Latte Aug 2014 #9
Some religions we would certainly be better off without. Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #49
Deluded some? MoonRiver Aug 2014 #12
I think they are deluded...but Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #18
Agreed, but taking over Spain? MoonRiver Aug 2014 #19
They always mention Spain.. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #21
Seattle???? MoonRiver Aug 2014 #22
See Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #23
Can't imagine why they hate Seattle. MoonRiver Aug 2014 #24
See my post on that thread. In simpler terms, ISIS = Conservatives. freshwest Aug 2014 #35
Hello! Seattle is home to the overpriced $5 cup of coffee. They totally have it coming. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #40
They did it before, why not do it again? They may have the wind at their backs, now. freshwest Aug 2014 #36
Spain is a member of NATO. MoonRiver Aug 2014 #38
Thanks for mentioning that... I'd think so too, but for one thing: freshwest Aug 2014 #41
I just don't think Spain is at risk from ISIS. MoonRiver Aug 2014 #42
I probably shouldn't delve deep in military stuff. We're laughing it up on the Seattle thread. freshwest Aug 2014 #44
Very interesting history between Boom Sound 416 Aug 2014 #16
And then....France! (Don't laugh; ISIS is counting on Fifth-Columns.) WinkyDink Aug 2014 #17
At first I did laugh... Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #20
someone let Ferdinand and Isabella know. MFM008 Aug 2014 #25
They better remember how stubborn those Spaniards can be. Brigid Aug 2014 #26
I'm sure NATO would just sit back and let Spain be invaded. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2014 #28
LOL...the Spanish army would whip they ass in under a week alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #29
wow , so DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #31
Yeah, back to 1,000 BCE nt LiberalElite Aug 2014 #34
They are truly delusional if they think they can pull this off. Liberal_from_va34 Aug 2014 #43
They are not going to "invade" in the usual way. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #46
I bet they will put a stop to topless sunbathing Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #50
Topless sunbathing could be WHY they want to retake Spain csziggy Aug 2014 #56
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!! Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #57
That's how rightwingers are. bravenak Aug 2014 #51
There are so many of these claims davidpdx Aug 2014 #53
They better watch out for the Spanish Armada. HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #54
Is Flamenco going to be outlawed? flamingdem Aug 2014 #58
Only a crazy person pisses off the Basques. Those guys do NOT play. nt MADem Aug 2014 #59
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