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SpartanDem

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62. This agnostic agrees with you

Reply to mistertrickster (Original post)

Mon Apr 9, 2012, 11:10 PM

Apr 2012

if you changed the religon of these statements I can't see anyone on DU allowing these to stand. There's no doubt outside the DU community atheist/agnostic face real and persistant discrimination, that is however not excuse belittle Christians on DU.

I think "Jews" are probably the most harmful entities on this planet right now. No single group has caused more bloodshed and harm to the living beings on this planet.

I don't bash individual Muslims. I bash the idea of Islam which very much does need to be bashed. With a few exceptions, that's what I see the majority of athiests on DU doing. If it bothers you so that your religion is being bashed, and you take that as a personal affront from all athiests on DU, perhaps your belief is not nearly as strong as you thought.

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Dear Christian-bashers, here's a big fat target for you: [View all] mistertrickster Apr 2012 OP

belongs in help and meta cthulu2016 Apr 2012 #1

No it doesn't. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2012 #2

Whatever cthulu2016 Apr 2012 #6

They already tried that yesterday, and it was a massive failure Electric Monk Apr 2012 #59

Is the OP praying? Union Scribe Apr 2012 #150

Ehh... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #3

The Passion of the New Atheists? The Straight Story Apr 2012 #12

Wow, do you compare the plight of Jews like Stewart the same way? Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #17

Just someone who would probably fit in well here The Straight Story Apr 2012 #33

So now not showing deference to Christians is hate speech? Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #41

Brendan O'Neill?... SidDithers Apr 2012 #32

I don't bash real Christians, my mom is one. I do bash intolerant zealots who use Christianity as an peacebird Apr 2012 #4

Same here, those that operate under the cloak of religion with their RKP5637 Apr 2012 #24

Define a real Christian, I take them at their words... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #52

i take them by their deeds. hobbit709 Apr 2012 #162

Funny factoid Union Scribe Apr 2012 #5

Classic! nt mistertrickster Apr 2012 #9

I subscribe to that. sadbear Apr 2012 #10

Really. I haven't seen those posts. Here. nt mistertrickster Apr 2012 #13

What, are we limiting reality to DU posts only? sadbear Apr 2012 #14

Apparently you can't state you believe something without providing evidence. deucemagnet Apr 2012 #166

Lol. Union Scribe Apr 2012 #16

Here's a good one from DU3 cherokeeprogressive Apr 2012 #18

The conspiracy lives on! Union Scribe Apr 2012 #111

Christianity has become part of big politics in the USA.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #7

That's exactly it. Not that it is right or fair to attack someone's beliefs, but that is why. Chemisse Apr 2012 #161

Oh, and I do have a problem with Obama on the Office of faith based initiatives... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #8

I have a problem with his faith-based initiative too actually. mistertrickster Apr 2012 #11

I think the point is this, you equate not showing deference for your religious beliefs with... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #19

Not showing deference = mistertrickster Apr 2012 #34

Not showing deference is attacking beliefs and ideas, particularly bad and foolish... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #46

Just one question: Why is it wrong (or even your business) if people have bad and foolish beliefs TalkingDog Apr 2012 #159

Because your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose. deucemagnet Apr 2012 #169

Keep the religion out of politics/government and everything will be fine. neverforget Apr 2012 #15

I haven't seen those particular posts, but yeah, Christianity is a particular target here Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #20

Jesus. So now atheists and agnostics and etc. have to embrace Christian doctrine because Luminous Animal Apr 2012 #21

That's exactly it, we must convert, or shut up... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #26

You don't have to shut up . . . mistertrickster Apr 2012 #31

Christians don't ridicule atheists? Well, thank Jeebus for that! provis99 Apr 2012 #35

Show me where DU's people of faith have ridiculed ONE atheist. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2012 #38

See post #14. sadbear Apr 2012 #44

Well this IS DU after all. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2012 #48

Justifying bad behavior on DU Union Scribe Apr 2012 #110

Its not ridicule, but the OP threatened to kick my ass. n/t Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #117

How about Creationists, or those who use religion to deny equal rights? Hugabear Apr 2012 #73

If they're voting liberal Democrat, mistertrickster Apr 2012 #75

Really? Even though they may work to undermine some political goal? Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #77

wow RainDog Apr 2012 #97

The poster has said alot of questionable things in recent days Marrah_G Apr 2012 #143

it's pretty interesting how morally void such a pov really is RainDog Apr 2012 #146

I dream of the day of ReligionUnderground. Far, far underground. Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #144

More Lions. Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #167

Yup, that's exactly what I wrote . . . mistertrickster Apr 2012 #27

I will presume for most here xfundy Apr 2012 #91

I think Obama could be an Atheist Politicalboi Apr 2012 #22

Right, don't believe what he says. mistertrickster Apr 2012 #25

I said could be Politicalboi Apr 2012 #36

Don't judge Christians by the Roman Church. mistertrickster Apr 2012 #51

No True Scotsman. provis99 Apr 2012 #66

so bashing churches who are against homosexuals is ok by you? provis99 Apr 2012 #39

Fighting against PEOPLE who bash gays is proper and correct. mistertrickster Apr 2012 #53

Technically both statements are accurate, why is it wrong to point it out? n/t Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #60

he's just making the old No True Scotsman argument. provis99 Apr 2012 #68

True, I guess when you try to weld your secular morality to thousands of year old texts, it gets... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #69

I didn't post the cartoon ridiculing my belief in Easter. mistertrickster Apr 2012 #76

This is over a cartoon? Why not go out and riot? Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #93

Sounds like you're taking that on faith. nt. Union Scribe Apr 2012 #113

"No true Sc... ya know the rest" Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #23

Oh dear. It must be awful to be the least accepted, trusted and welcomed Americans dmallind Apr 2012 #28

and when thou prayest... OffWithTheirHeads Apr 2012 #29

Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, sylvi Apr 2012 #148

everyone is entitled to their opinion, and non-believers shouldn't be expected to not express theirs got root Apr 2012 #30

I totally agree with your opening statement. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2012 #37

Is this how white people are supposed to feel when black people ridicule them? sadbear Apr 2012 #40

The black people who are overwhelmingly Christian? (at least in the US) nt mistertrickster Apr 2012 #43

I wouldn't know... cherokeeprogressive Apr 2012 #45

Exactly. It's kind of hard to feel a sense of solidarity mistertrickster Apr 2012 #42

What mutual goals, you created this thread in a direct response to the righteous... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #50

Also, the cartoon saying that Christian beliefs about mistertrickster Apr 2012 #55

But they are just as ridiculous, you could have chosen to ignore that thread... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #63

That would be a good topic at a forum dedicated to mistertrickster Apr 2012 #70

Acceptance of diversity doesn't mean I have to accept bad ideas into my own head... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #74

You don't have to believe them. You have to tolerate them. mistertrickster Apr 2012 #79

Bad analogy, that's about people, not ideas, I don't tolerate bad ideas, I may tolerate the people.. Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #87

WTF..................... Marrah_G Apr 2012 #141

Persecuted Christian steps into JoeyT Apr 2012 #142

Not all gays engage in anal sex and plenty of straights do. Hissyspit Apr 2012 #145

Nice debating skills, pops. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2012 #149

FAIL mtnester Apr 2012 #154

You just replied to a non-specific reference to diversity with an offensive, overbroad pacalo Apr 2012 #155

I honestly want to believe that your debating skills are so bad that what you write is NOT idwiyo Apr 2012 #157

Sorry Christianity has some pretty strange shit in it Gore1FL Apr 2012 #114

i see many groups picked on here got root Apr 2012 #49

What is hateful about ridicule? Particularly since its generally limited to ideas and beliefs... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #58

LOLOL Skittles Apr 2012 #47

Fart noises. Solly Mack Apr 2012 #54

I don't care what his professed faith might be and it has nothing to do with his ability to govern RainDog Apr 2012 #56

Well most people in GD hate President Obama as well so might not be the best example RFKHumphreyObama Apr 2012 #57

I'm fine with Christians as individuals and people. NYC Liberal Apr 2012 #61

This agnostic agrees with you SpartanDem Apr 2012 #62

Exactly right. You got it. nt mistertrickster Apr 2012 #64

The first quote you mention is a peronal broad brush, and went too far... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #67

Well good, Agnostics can make JoeyT Apr 2012 #138

Whoa...When you put it like that... Mimosa Apr 2012 #160

Funny... WiffenPoof Apr 2012 #65

I'm still angry about how people acted during the Tuscon memorial in January 2011 bluestateguy Apr 2012 #71

obama conveniently ignores his christian beliefs..he is no role model in that regard. nt msongs Apr 2012 #72

How? n/t Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #78

Like when he publicly confesses his Christianity? nt mistertrickster Apr 2012 #80

Huh, how does Obama ignore his Christian beliefs? You need to go back to freeperville seriously!! Obamacare Apr 2012 #84

When "Christians" stop trying to make me live TriMera Apr 2012 #81

The fact that the Roman Church calls itself Christian mistertrickster Apr 2012 #85

Aren't you now bashing the Catholic Church? Hugabear Apr 2012 #88

Hateful acts done in the name of religion should be condemned. mistertrickster Apr 2012 #92

Why not? Islam is a religion that encourages violence to defend God, martyrdom, and misogyny... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #95

But the Roman Catholic Church is Christian, just like all other... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #90

see edit mistertrickster Apr 2012 #98

Doesn't help, there's nothing in Christianity that forbids them from acting hateful... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #101

Yes, I realize that there are Christians fighting TriMera Apr 2012 #96

Right....... the bad Catholics, the bad Pentacostals, but YOUR version, that version is benevolent Marrah_G Apr 2012 #135

I'll bite. Pronouncements of religious faith in American politics are primarily disingenuous. DirkGently Apr 2012 #82

I agree with that . . . mistertrickster Apr 2012 #89

I have several major problems with that guy whatchamacallit Apr 2012 #83

It there a point to this thread other than to stir up trouble? nm rhett o rick Apr 2012 #86

Asking people to show respect for one another mistertrickster Apr 2012 #94

You are confusing respect for people with lack of reverence for religious beliefs... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author mistertrickster Apr 2012 #100

LOL sadbear Apr 2012 #102

I love it, I mock your beliefs, you threaten my physical being... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #103

No threat. Just an observation of fact. nt mistertrickster Apr 2012 #105

"I bet I can kick your ass", I don't understand why you even had to point that out... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #106

That explains a lot actually . . . nt mistertrickster Apr 2012 #108

So you concede you are the bully? Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #109

I regret that post actually. I publicly apologize. mistertrickster Apr 2012 #128

Apology accepted... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #133

yet above, you condemn other Christians for their beliefs. provis99 Apr 2012 #104

Oppps it was a self-deletesiiee!! Rex Apr 2012 #107

His OP had no real function other than to berate people to show reverence for his religion... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #118

there was a troll on DU a while back RainDog Apr 2012 #120

I wouldn't call the OP a troll, or even trollish, they simply don't understand that... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #123

maybe it's because you can defend your beliefs with facts n/t RainDog Apr 2012 #129

I guess he could attempt to bash Humanism, though I really am amused as to how that would look... Humanist_Activist Apr 2012 #134

Will you delete this post also? Marrah_G Apr 2012 #136

So pointing out hypocrisy is now an attempt to "stir up trouble"? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2012 #124

Apparently even quoting the Bible can be considered "bashing Christians" Hugabear Apr 2012 #125

This is the second off topic wrong forum try by the op. Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #168

I understand where you are coming from, and apologize for others slighting your beliefs. rufus dog Apr 2012 #112

Great post! kentauros Apr 2012 #126

You know, there are places where they charge you for persecution on demand. nt sudopod Apr 2012 #115

More bullshit to distract us from our fight against the Plutocracy. Zalatix Apr 2012 #116

Actually that was what I had in mind. mistertrickster Apr 2012 #119

If the religious would keep their religion(s) out of politics.. Fumesucker Apr 2012 #132

when religions stop using their beliefs to attack women, homosexuals and science RainDog Apr 2012 #147

Is this a joke? TransitJohn Apr 2012 #121

Only 12 Recs? sadbear Apr 2012 #122

... Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #127

Nice. Now do you have a cartoon that actually shows mistertrickster Apr 2012 #130

Really? Allow me a few samples. Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #139

Like I told you in the other thread: Christians are not oppressed, they are not victims Marrah_G Apr 2012 #131

Oh good, another Christian that has a sad. JoeyT Apr 2012 #137

"Strangely enough, any of the other four would instantly be shot down by most liberal Christians, Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #153

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false teknomanzer Apr 2012 #140

Really good. Yours? n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #151

Translation: To all you non-x-tians, F U! we're in charge and there's nothing you can do about it. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #152

I well remeber that speech. Mimosa Apr 2012 #156

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2012 #158

Great post Marrah_G Apr 2012 #170

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” GeorgeGist Apr 2012 #163

Who would Jesus kill ... GeorgeGist Apr 2012 #164

Poor picked upon, persecuted Christians MadHound Apr 2012 #165

locking maddezmom Apr 2012 #171