Who was in danger? (Reply #46) - Democratic Underground

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Thu Aug 21, 2014, 01:07 PM

Lee-Lee (6,324 posts)

46. Who was in danger?

The cop on the left, who had an erratic man coming at him with a knife in his hand.

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105 replies	Author	Time	Post
Post removed [View all]	Post removed	Aug 2014	OP
Your claims of what happened are far more dishonest	Bjorn Against	Aug 2014	#1
Witnesses confirmed the knife.	Michigander_Life	Aug 2014	#4
We have video and we can see what happened	Bjorn Against	Aug 2014	#5
They should have let him keep coming to stab them?	Michigander_Life	Aug 2014	#6
There is no evidence he was going to stab them	Bjorn Against	Aug 2014	#8
No evidence?	Michigander_Life	Aug 2014	#9
The video shows him several feet away when he was shot	Bjorn Against	Aug 2014	#11
Police training is to not allow anyone with a knife within 21 feet	Michigander_Life	Aug 2014	#12
Once again the video shows no knife	Bjorn Against	Aug 2014	#17
I have an extra large monitor	Generic Other	Aug 2014	#37
why not try a supposed non-lethal weapon like a taser first?	VanillaRhapsody	Aug 2014	#55
Tazers are excellent tools to be used in such situations if practical	Michigander_Life	Aug 2014	#58
and Deadly force WASNT needed in this case...deadly force should ONLY be used	VanillaRhapsody	Aug 2014	#63
Many departments don't issue tazers of only issue tazers to supervisors or select officers	Michigander_Life	Aug 2014	#65
Hello? Doesn't that ring any bells at all with you?	VanillaRhapsody	Aug 2014	#66
MRADs are free	Michigander_Life	Aug 2014	#69
Do they require upkeep? Does that cost money?	VanillaRhapsody	Aug 2014	#71
For some departments, upkeep is relatively inexpensive	Michigander_Life	Aug 2014	#72
In order for a taser to be effective, it has to be in the cop's hand instead of a pistol.	arcane1	Aug 2014	#67
EXACTLY!	VanillaRhapsody	Aug 2014	#73
Come on....a mentally deranged individual with a pocket knife...	VanillaRhapsody	Aug 2014	#74
Exactly!!!!!! They are here to protect the mentally ill. Those cops were terrible. Could have	zonkers	Aug 2014	#78
I'm sorry, but I wouldn't	pintobean	Aug 2014	#79
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Aug 2014	#75
Ignoring their pleas????	Punkingal	Aug 2014	#102
He didn't have his knife hand raised, as the police claimed, assuming there was a knife.	pnwmom	Aug 2014	#97
OK	Feral Child	Aug 2014	#85
The "Knife Rule" is 21 feet, doncha know?	moriah	Aug 2014	#68
Why bulletS? Why wasn't the first bullet (or two) plenty to make this man not a threat?	pnwmom	Aug 2014	#99
The thugification of black men on DU continues unabated. eom	MohRokTah	Aug 2014	#2
This is simple, if the man is white and wearing dockers and Gucci on a street in	BaggersRDumb	Aug 2014	#60
Woooo be afraid	etherealtruth	Aug 2014	#80
Maybe police should learn to fight by hand in some cases	world wide wally	Aug 2014	#3
In some cases	Michigander_Life	Aug 2014	#7
merely being armed with a deadly weapon is not a capital offense.	unblock	Aug 2014	#15
yeah because as usualy, killing the black guy is really the only option.	unblock	Aug 2014	#10
if someone says 'shoot me', does it not indicate that this person is in the middle of a	La Lioness Priyanka	Aug 2014	#13
If he was sitting on the curb yelling shoot me -- of course	Michigander_Life	Aug 2014	#16
in any situation, shooting a man without attempting to really de-escalate the situation	La Lioness Priyanka	Aug 2014	#19
walking. yeah, that pretty much leaves no option. no way the officer could out-walk him.	unblock	Aug 2014	#21
So you're of the opinion that walking toward police and saying "shoot me" is rational behavior?	Erose999	Aug 2014	#43
This message was self-deleted by its author	Michigander_Life	Aug 2014	#54
What?	Michigander_Life	Aug 2014	#57
haha, you act as though their job was to serve and protect.	unblock	Aug 2014	#18
lol. i know. so silly of me. nt	La Lioness Priyanka	Aug 2014	#20
+1	uponit7771	Aug 2014	#53
There is no knife wielded in the video.	Iron Man	Aug 2014	#14
He pulls the knife out of his pocket at 1:26	Lee-Lee	Aug 2014	#23
Yeah, he deserved to be shot 7 or 8 times because he was holding	Iron Man	Aug 2014	#24
If you come at anyone, cop or not, swinging a knife	Lee-Lee	Aug 2014	#25
It's clear the victim needed mental help.	Iron Man	Aug 2014	#26
So had he been coming at you	Lee-Lee	Aug 2014	#27
Isn't there a reason that tasers exist?	Iron Man	Aug 2014	#36
I am tired of typing it over and over	Lee-Lee	Aug 2014	#38
But shooting a person a dozen times is viable?	Iron Man	Aug 2014	#39
When a taser cant reliably be employed	Lee-Lee	Aug 2014	#40
Murder is a-okay then.	Iron Man	Aug 2014	#41
When someone is coming at you with a knife	Lee-Lee	Aug 2014	#42
8 or 9 times in the space of a few seconds?	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Aug 2014	#81
You shoot until the threat is stopped	Lee-Lee	Aug 2014	#82
And that's exactly the attitude I don't want in armed people.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Aug 2014	#86
Its always good to try and deescalate	Lee-Lee	Aug 2014	#91
Why was it necessary to escalate force though? Who in that video was in any immediate danger?	Erose999	Aug 2014	#45
Who was in danger?	Lee-Lee	Aug 2014	#46
Who was in danger	Lee-Lee	Aug 2014	#84
So, he's not actually 'waving' the knife anymore?	polly7	Aug 2014	#89
many departments dont allow tazers	Travis_0004	Aug 2014	#95
He wasn't "swinging" the knife. And he was no threat at all after the first gun shot.	pnwmom	Aug 2014	#98
You told me he was waving it at them.	polly7	Aug 2014	#33
Check you glasses	Lee-Lee	Aug 2014	#34
I don't wear glasses, but his arm doesn't appear to me to be moving from side to side at all. nt.	polly7	Aug 2014	#35
Post removed	Post removed	Aug 2014	#96
I don't understand	cwydro	Aug 2014	#22
because they didnt have tazers	Travis_0004	Aug 2014	#28
Tazers can kill people????	Punkingal	Aug 2014	#104
This man was mentally I'll.....	FarPoint	Aug 2014	#29
+1	iscooterliberally	Aug 2014	#32
If they had to shoot him	Piscatarian	Aug 2014	#30
Shooting to wound is inconsistent with proper police training and procedure	Michigander_Life	Aug 2014	#31
Rec'd your own thread I see.	Kingofalldems	Aug 2014	#44
I'm awesome	Michigander_Life	Aug 2014	#47
The hips aren't those attributes though... police need to be more accurate	uponit7771	Aug 2014	#49
Neither is shooting more bullets than you need to. He wasn't armed with a gun so he wasn't	pnwmom	Aug 2014	#101
Hopalong Cassidy, The Lone Ranger, Annie Oakley, even Tonto could shoot the weapon...	immoderate	Aug 2014	#70
They couldn't shoot him in the legs? tia	uponit7771	Aug 2014	#48
Center Mass	ksoze	Aug 2014	#50
Center mass is military training... I remember that from boot camp	uponit7771	Aug 2014	#52
I have family in the rcmp ..... I remember hearing of how, in basic training	polly7	Aug 2014	#61
Two different shootings	ksoze	Aug 2014	#62
I can see where the bystanders are in the video.	polly7	Aug 2014	#64
This is army training. He's not the enemy. Why pump multiple bullets into him after	pnwmom	Aug 2014	#103
No, that isn't proper police procedure for reasons listed in this thread.	Michigander_Life	Aug 2014	#51
... center mass is military lingo... I'm seeing all kinds of wrongs with this thinking	uponit7771	Aug 2014	#56
The reasons apply for LE as well	Michigander_Life	Aug 2014	#59
These cops didn't even try to talk him down	Warpy	Aug 2014	#76
Did you not hear them talking?	JJChambers	Aug 2014	#83
I heard an order	Warpy	Aug 2014	#87
Tell me	Lee-Lee	Aug 2014	#92
When he charges.	Warpy	Aug 2014	#93
I am so sorry for the disturbance in you pretty little world.	ret5hd	Aug 2014	#77
how sad	Catherine Vincent	Aug 2014	#88
Actually you can hear them asking him to drop the knife as he is approaching them	JJChambers	Aug 2014	#94
He put the cans down on the curb and waited for the police to arrive - he knew what he was doing.	Justice	Aug 2014	#90
No. I don't think he was shot over two cans of soda.	Boom Sound 416	Aug 2014	#100
Anyone who doesn't follow police instructions is asking for trouble.	Kablooie	Aug 2014	#105

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