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another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 06:32 AM Aug 2014

Russian President asks Western leaders to make Kiev negotiate peace. [View all]

The President of Russia has suggested leaders of Western nations apply some of their diplomatic influence with Poroshenko to convince the Ukrainian leader to negotiate an end to the bloody conflict now devastating much of eastern Ukraine. Now we will see whether NATO, the EU and the United States are for peace and diplomacy, or if they prefer ever more destruction, death and war.



Putin: Kiev’s shelling in E. Ukraine reminiscent of Nazi actions during WWII


Russian President Vladimir Putin has compared the shelling of east Ukrainian towns and cities by Kiev’s troops to actions carried out by the Nazis during World War II.

“Sad as it might seem, this reminds me of the events of World War II, when the German Nazi occupants surrounded our cities, like Leningrad, and directly shelled those cities and their inhabitants,” Putin said on Friday, speaking at the “Seliger-2014” youth forum.

He recalled the signs in St. Petersburg, preserved since World War II, which warned citizens which side of the road was more vulnerable to shelling. Now “both towns and cities are surrounded by the Ukrainian army, which is directly shelling residential areas with the purpose of destroying infrastructure, and suppressing the will of those in the resistance,” Putin said.

The president also commented on Kiev’s military units that are currently surrounded and blocked by anti-government militia. According to the latest data, Kiev has refused to try and negotiate safe passage for them to retreat.

(snip)


Update

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The Ukrainian leadership has demonstrated its inability to bring the situation under control, the Russian president said, urging talks between Kiev and the country’s east.

“Our partners’ position is clear to me,” he said. “Yes, there should be talks, but in the mean time we need to let Ukrainian troops to do a bit of shooting – maybe they will get the situation under control.”

Putin added that it was time to acknowledge that attempts to resolve the crisis by force have failed and it is “necessary to make Ukrainian authorities to begin negotiation and not over technical issues… but over the core issues.”

The main topic on the agenda should be the rights of the people living in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, the Russian president said.

(snip)




Read more at: http://rt.com/news/183648-putin-russia-ukraine-nazi/
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Negotiate with whom and over what? DetlefK Aug 2014 #1
BS n/t reorg Aug 2014 #2
I haven't seen that they are even asking for secession (complete independence) . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #3
They are asking for a complete withdrawal of the ukrainian army. DetlefK Aug 2014 #4
Do you even know what 'federalism' means? Are you at all familiar with Lavrov's VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #5
I do know what a federal republic is. And I have not heard of the June proposal. DetlefK Aug 2014 #6
Lavrov made the proposal in late March (not June as I mistakenly wrote earlier): VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #7
Restructuring Ukraine to a federal nation can mean different things. DetlefK Aug 2014 #10
And what about the Russian language? VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #11
Local administration, local media and schools would be a state-issue. DetlefK Aug 2014 #13
The putschistas' outlawed Russian as an official language in one of their VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #16
Actually they didn't. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #17
It Is Amazing, Sir, How They Cling To These 'Zombie Factoids'.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #31
I see Brezinski is the new Valerie Nuland amongst the pro-separtist crowd. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #9
I'm guessing you must work at RT for all that bullshit you keep posting... Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #8
Your post was alerted. Results 2-5 to Leave. SidDithers Aug 2014 #12
I think that's the first "victory" I've had in a couple of years.. Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #15
Jurors 1, 2 and 7 look particularly quick on the uptake. nt Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2014 #19
Forget what I said in #8, and let me take another angle... Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #18
Who loves Putin? another_liberal Aug 2014 #21
You Do, Sir, Clearly, On Your Own Words... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #23
What about any of that suggests love, or any other kind of emotion? another_liberal Aug 2014 #24
When You Right Harlequin Cover Blurbs, Sir, People Notice The Magistrate Aug 2014 #25
Believe what you want to Magi . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #27
No One Is Twisting Your Words, Sir, Though Most Would Agree They Are A Bit Twisted.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #30
You can have that quote tattooed on you forehead . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #32
Your Quote, Sir, Your Forehead, And Yes, It Will Attract A Few Stares Your Way.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #33
So, Magi continued to repeat the quote forever . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #35
Many Confuse Noteriety With Fame, Sir: You Are Far From The First To Do So.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #36
Make up whatever you want to believe . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #40
I Am Quoting You, Sir: That Is Not Making Things Up The Magistrate Aug 2014 #41
If what I posted in that reply embarrasses anyone . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #42
So You Stand By It, Sir, And Even Consider It A Useful Line Of Argument The Magistrate Aug 2014 #43
Your worship of my quoted words is an unhealthy obsession, Magi . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #44
Again, Sir, You Mistake Notoriety For Fame The Magistrate Aug 2014 #46
On your forehead, a tattoo . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #47
Your Quote, Sir, Your Forehead, And Yes, It Will Attract A Few Stares Your Way.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #48
It goes without saying . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #49
Based on your recent posting history, I'm pretty sure it's Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #29
There are things to admire about President Putin . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #34
Would mind stating what you admire about him? PragmaticLiberal Aug 2014 #38
Are you really curious? That's good! another_liberal Aug 2014 #39
Nice punt, with use of the old Marxian chestnut "false consciousness" friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #51
Give Howard Zinn a few hours read . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #52
Zinn's book is a marvelous work, but it's no excuse for embracing Manichaeism friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #53
Other than the fact they are nothing alike . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #67
I have come to realize that you are correct in this case- Putin is not Mugabe friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #88
He's so dreamy!! EX500rider Aug 2014 #64
It appears someone is fixated on President Putin . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #66
If you say so sparky. EX500rider Aug 2014 #82
You really think that do you? another_liberal Aug 2014 #20
whatever pootie asshole snooper2 Aug 2014 #14
I'm always thoroughly impressed by scatological name-calling . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #22
Thanks! snooper2 Aug 2014 #26
lol.. EX500rider Aug 2014 #65
Putin is beyond dishonest and a dispicable person with no morals or ethics. NCTraveler Aug 2014 #28
Really? another_liberal Aug 2014 #37
Your reply doesn't make sense. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #90
You were offering insights which suggested you knew him . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #91
You do not need to know someone personally to make the claims I did. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #92
Only if one wants to be taken seriously . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #93
Needs to be added as the Putin loving has gone way too far. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #94
"A number of posters here do it better than you." another_liberal Sep 2014 #95
That's exactly what was expected. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #96
I'm in far too good a mood today to fight with you about it . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #97
Or Putin could just gtfo, right? nt Codeine Aug 2014 #45
Where do you feel he should leave . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #50
Sure...just as soon as Russia accepts some preconditions. Chan790 Aug 2014 #54
You expect the Separatists to simply surrender . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #57
No, I expect one list of ridiculous preconditions deserves another. Chan790 Aug 2014 #62
I'm still trying to figure out exactly what brand of "liberalism" you subscribe to, so I can.... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #55
I belong to the Jingoism-opposing "brand" . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #56
I get it. Nationalism, by anyone other than Russia, is verbotten. Got it! It's so amusing to hear Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #84
I did not say that . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #85
"Putin's approval rating soars to 87 per cent in Russia ..." Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #87
OMFG! William769 Aug 2014 #58
Your opinion only . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #60
Thats a very small number. William769 Aug 2014 #63
S'up. randome Aug 2014 #59
Around here, it's a rare and beautiful high Summer morning . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #61
And Germany demands that France and the UK make Poland negotiate peace. pampango Aug 2014 #68
Apples and oranges . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #69
By all means, explain how Germany is 'apples' and Russia is 'oranges'. pampango Aug 2014 #70
Germany invaded Poland in an act of unprovoked military aggression . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #71
Sounds like we agree that IF Russian soldiers and tanks were invading Ukraine THAT would be an act pampango Aug 2014 #72
No one is denying Russians are volunteering to fight in eastern Ukraine . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #73
You did not answer the question about what evidence, if any, would convince you that Russia itself pampango Aug 2014 #74
If Russia had actually invaded Ukraine we would know . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #75
So if Russia does not capture Kiev, for whatever reason, then there is no acceptable evidence of pampango Aug 2014 #76
What I'm saying is that if Russia did actually invade . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #77
What you said was, if Kiev is not captured, then the Russia has not invaded. I asked, what if pampango Aug 2014 #78
If organized formations of the Russian army intentionally and without provocation . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #80
Now we are getting somewhere. I accept your definiton of an invasion. Now what evidence pampango Aug 2014 #83
Links to the Russian times are dubious at best etherealtruth Aug 2014 #79
That may be your opinion . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #81
One thing's for sure, 'another-lib' elias49 Aug 2014 #86
I'm driven . . . another_liberal Aug 2014 #89
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